MOTORTREND Head 2 Head (more in-depth look from Inde) -ZL1 TAKES ON BOSS VIDEO :D

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by radz28

Just because you refuse to take the entire car into consideration doesn't make you correct. You are suggesting the only reason ZL1 beat the LS is because of the power. Go back and reread the review; if that doesn't work, consider a course in comprehension. There were only two corners the LS made a little time on ZL1; the rest of the time it was pulling away; the only time ZL1 pulled away from pure power was the straight, where they had telemetry and data that showed it only gained .4 of a second. Considering the total lap time difference, ZL1 was still ahead, without power as the strength, by 2.5 seconds.

Let's not forget the competition tires LS rides on either. ZL1 is riding on max' performance tires - not competition tires. Those will grip better than the G2s. But that doesn't matter either... Neither does the significant amount of weight advantage the LS has, too.

Well said!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I don't know if you were around the car scene about 10 years ago when GM was waxing the mustang with the LS engine and then ford had to supercharge the cobra so it could compete. GM guys made sure it was known that the pony needed boost. Well now chevy needs a bigger motor and boost and we're supposed to be impressed when it beats a cheaper, less displacement N/A car that has a straight axle?? This is a reverse when the GT500 was tested against the SS. Everyone here cried it wasn't fair, which is wasn't, but now that the shoe is on the other foot the ZL1 is a mustang killer and a kick ass car. Come on.

Except that last year most people on Camaro5 were crying because everyone expected the Boss to be the far superior track car. But now that this has been proven a false worry the conversation has changed to the Ford fans rationalizing why the Camaro is actually better.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by radz28

Just because you refuse to take the entire car into consideration doesn't make you correct. You are suggesting the only reason ZL1 beat the LS is because of the power. Go back and reread the review; if that doesn't work, consider a course in comprehension. There were only two corners the LS made a little time on ZL1; the rest of the time it was pulling away; the only time ZL1 pulled away from pure power was the straight, where they had telemetry and data that showed it only gained .4 of a second. Considering the total lap time difference, ZL1 was still ahead, without power as the strength, by 2.5 seconds.

Let's not forget the competition tires LS rides on either. ZL1 is riding on max' performance tires - not competition tires. Those will grip better than the G2s. But that doesn't matter either... Neither does the significant amount of weight advantage the LS has, too.

When did I say that it was power only? I merely brought that up as a point along with the fact the ZL1 is in a higher league than the LS. The ZL1 loyalty has blinded you and a lot of other people here I guess. Again let me state this fact, not my opinion. The LS is a N/A, 5L V8 powered car with conventional shocks and a straight axle. The ZL1 is a supercharged, 6.2L powered car with magnetic shocks and a track inspired stability control. Not to mention the ZL1 is significantly more money. Should I be impressed at this outcome?? I'm not because that's what I would expect. How do you think a base SS would do against a LS? Different league of car. Chevy doesn't not have a car to compete with the Boss at this time. Show me how the ZL1 does against a 2012 GT500. That's a legitimate comparison.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Except that last year most people on Camaro5 were crying because everyone expected the Boss to be the far superior track car. But now that this has been proven a false worry the conversation has changed to the Ford fans rationalizing why the Camaro is actually better.

It's not hard to rationalize. It's an apples to oranges comparison. That's like rationalizing why the Z06 is better than the ZL1.

[htron50]

What's an LS? Legal Secretary?

[Black5thgen]

Leguna Seca, it's the race ready model of the Boss 302 used in tis test.

[ffrcobra_65]

how conveniently we forget how much crying some of us did when the GT500 was making the SS its boitch. But now its all good because a 136hp advantage is a "fair" comparison. Two roadcourse cars but one has 136hp more, of course it is going to win.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

how conveniently we forget how much crying some of us did when the GT500 was making the SS its boitch. But now its all good because a 136hp advantage is a "fair" comparison.

[htron50]

But, the LS was supposed to be the greatest track Mustang of all time! So.. until they have something better, its all we have to go on and all they have to offer. They decided to put 440 HP in it. Just saying.

[Unobtainium]

Again, that comparo was done because the 2010 GT was embarrassed by the SS. So, cue the badder mustang. This test is no more fair though, hence why we are all crying for a 2012 match-up.
Hopefully some magazine guys are watching, but as mentioned, they need the 2012 GT 500, and I'm guessing Ford ain't handing them out.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I don't know if you were around the car scene about 10 years ago when GM was waxing the mustang with the LS engine and then ford had to supercharge the cobra so it could compete. GM guys made sure it was known that the pony needed boost.

The Cobra wouldn't have "needed boost" if it weighed less.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Well now chevy needs a bigger motor and boost and we're supposed to be impressed when it beats a cheaper, less displacement N/A car that has a straight axle??

It's relative with respect to weight and horsepower. With more weight, more horsepower is needed. With less weight, less horsepower is needed.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

This is a reverse when the GT500 was tested against the SS. Everyone here cried it wasn't fair, which is wasn't, but now that the shoe is on the other foot the ZL1 is a mustang killer and a kick ass car. Come on.

You may want to avoid using statement's that employ all encompassing terms such as "everyone," as they tend to be inaccurate.


I've been around the car scene since the 1960s.

However, my point is that a horsepower number alone, in and by itself, doesn't provide all the relevant information in terms of how well a vehicle is going to perform. For example, one can have a vehicle with 1,000 horsepower (seems like a lot), but if the vehicle weighs 15,000 pounds, the vehicle will not perform particularly well, and a diesel locomotive can have over 3,000 horsepower, but that doesn't mean that it's going to have a faster 0 to 60 MPH time, than a Chevy Volt will.

The horsepower to weight ratio is a more significant statistic with regard to performance, as opposed to simply horsepower alone. That is a fact, and it seems to me that arguing otherwise really serves no useful purpose.

[formare]

FABULOUS!!!

for giggle - 650 SAE HP is roughly equal to 765HP Gross HP (60s HP) - for those comparing modern muscle to 60s supercars. Just amazing......

[BATMANs]

I'm curious what the results would be if it was a blown Mustang with the IRS that should be coming out soon in future Mustangs.

Both cars look like a beast.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Leguna Seca, it's the race ready model of the Boss 302 used in tis test.

I believe it's Laguna Seca, as the model is named after the well known racetrack in Salinas, just east of Monterey.