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GoldenBear · 06-29-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Not really. In any sort of sanctioned "racing" on a drag strip, one needs to be very consistent round after round. Though not comparable to a road race, it still more than a "one shot run" as you put it.

You are correct. I should have stated "non-continuous use" instead of "one shot run."

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Eh, many did say that the high HP tracks would indeed favor the GT500, I still don't remember anyone saying - or implying - that the GT500 could only beat the ZL1 for one lap.

People didn't specify the number of laps, but I think that many felt that the ZL1 would be easier and require less effort to drive on many road courses over multiple laps, as both the vehicle and the driver become "tired."

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

In fact, until the first reference to this came only after the brake fading experienced by M/T. It should be noted that no other mag seemed to have this problem.

Perhaps....but again, only M/T seem to have this problem, and otehr mags praised the GT500 brakes quite a bit.

That's why I used the language "the braking issues the GT500 appears to have."

GoldenBear · 06-29-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Carbine

One thing I know, put a set of race tires on each, good brake pads and the ZL1 watches the GT500's ass get smaller and smaller.

On what venue?

And you know this how?

Bob Cosby · 06-29-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

You are correct. I should have stated "non-continuous use" instead of "one shot run."

People didn't specify the number of laps, but I think that many felt that the ZL1 would be easier and require less effort to drive on many road courses over multiple laps, as both the vehicle and the driver become "tired."

That's why I used the language "the braking issues the GT500 appears to have."

Ok.

SlingShot · 06-29-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Nuthin a set of pads will not fix. I read that the brakes on that GT500 may have been abuse on a previous run.

One thing I know, put a set of race tires on each, good brake pads and the ZL1 watches the GT500's ass get smaller and smaller.

Now your talking about mods and what if's ...

What if the ZL1 had the LS9 and weighed 500lbs less ?

We are talking Stock for Stock only ...

collins motorsport · 06-29-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Really? From the pic I saw of Da Rang, it has very long straights on it. You really think with a 120 HP advantage the GT500 would not drive away from the ZL1?

Al Oppenheimer said the GT500 needed "race car parts" to be equal with the ZL1.

He was wrong.

The bigger straights are towards the end of the lap so it really depends on how much distance has already been put between the two by the time the straights are reached.

DanSS24 · 06-29-2012, 01:20 PM

This is so silly and hilarious.

No wonder the people that know any better (fbod father, Tran, Becky, etc...) stay away from all this silliness.

And yes, i'm still here, cuz I don't know any better and like to laugh sometimes at the comments.

GoldenBear · 06-29-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Carbine

Al Oppenheimer said the GT500 needed "race car parts" to be equal with the ZL1.

He was wrong.

Al Oppenheiser was correct.

Al Oppenheiser stated that GT500 customers will have to purchase options that are not included in the base vehicle to be full track-capable, while the base ZL1 is fully track capable:

"Our approach was to make every Camaro ZL1 fully track-capable, from the factory. As we announced today, the ZL1 Coupe will start at $54,995 with standard Magnetic Ride Control, standard Performance Traction Management, and standard track-capable equipment such as a rear-differential cooler, brake cooling ducts, and an engine and transmission cooler.

None of our customers will have to buy extra options – or modify their ZL1 – for track-day usage. That is not the case for the current GT500, or their new car."

DanSS24 · 06-29-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Al Oppenheiser was correct.

Al Oppenheiser stated that GT500 customers will have to purchase options that are not included in the base vehicle to be full track-capable, while the base ZL1 is fully track capable:

"Our approach was to make every Camaro ZL1 fully track-capable, from the factory. As we announced today, the ZL1 Coupe will start at $54,995 with standard Magnetic Ride Control, standard Performance Traction Management, and standard track-capable equipment such as a rear-differential cooler, brake cooling ducts, and an engine and transmission cooler.

None of our customers will have to buy extra options – or modify their ZL1 – for track-day usage. That is not the case for the current GT500, or their new car."

you're fast. I was about to look for that. thanks.

hognutz · 06-29-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by evolve

That doesnt matter man. Comfort is king.

I love how to biased people comfort is a bad thing ha ha. so if you can lap similar times and not get thrashed around as bad it is a bad thing.

I have had the gen mustang you have in your sig with full maximum motorsports supention and it road like ass wile handling worse than my vette.

so was that supposed to be some kind of Plus to the car that my fillings would practically fall out of my teeth on bad roads ha ha. the extra road noise from the spherical bearings was some kind of enhanment to my car.

that was the bigest think I loved about my corvette over my mustang was more grip and more comfort all at the same time. A crappy riding car is only a plus if it really gives you and advantage. The ZL1 has more grip and comfort is ti just down on power.

Don't get me wrong I loved my mustang and it was fun to drive but there are downsides to stiff suspension lets no pretend that for daily driven car is good thing. I also get you can live with it. I drove my mustang for years like that. It was just something I kind of had to live with in that chasis I didn't really want the car to ride that bad.

2012ZL1 · 06-29-2012, 01:25 PM

oh..well here's my rating.

GT500 = Poo on a stick.
ZL1 = king of the muscle cars.

Anyone wants to dispute that, bring your GT500 poo stick over and we'll do some side by side.

Angrybird 12 · 06-29-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

I love how to biased people comfort is a bad thing ha ha. so if you can lap similar times and not get thrashed around as bad it is a bad thing.

I have had the gen mustang you have in your sig with full maximum motorsports supention and it road like ass wile handling worse than my vette.

so was that supposed to be some kind of Plus to the car that my fillings would practically fall out of my teeth on bad roads ha ha. the extra road noise from the sphircal bearins was some kind of enhanment to me car.

that was the bigest think I loved about my corvette over my mustang was more grip and more comfort. A crappy riding car is only a plus if it really gives you and advantage.

Don't get me wrong I loved my mustang and it was fun to drive but there are downsides to stiff suspension lets no pretend that for daily driven car is good thing. I also get you can live with it. I drove my mustang for years like that. It was just something I kind of had to live with in that chasis I didn't really want the car to ride that bad.

It's a wonder nobody has said anything about "Real men like a car that beats them to death and you have to be a muscle bound freak to drive it for more than 3 laps on a road course."
This thread is all too funny anyway.

Stew · 06-29-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

It's a wonder nobody has said anything about "Real men like a car that beats them to death and you have to be a muscle bound freak to drive it for more than 3 laps on a road course."
This thread is all too funny anyway.

The thing is, what i have read does not say the GT500s ride is really horrible or that bad, just the ZL1 rides smoother and more sophisticated.

Angrybird 12 · 06-29-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew

The thing is, what i have read does not say the GT500s ride is really horrible or that bad, just the ZL1 rides smoother and more sophisticated.

I may have to watch the video again but I thought the MT reviewer said the Shelby was a handful and you had to muscle it through the corners, along with complaining about the rough ride.

SlingShot · 06-29-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

I may have to watch the video again but I thought the MT reviewer said the Shelby was a handful and you had to muscle it through the corners, along with complaining about the rough ride.

Don't forget the bad vertical motion of the Shelby, that means it handles bumps very bad.

06-29-2012, 01:20 PM	#146
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	This is so silly and hilarious. No wonder the people that know any better (fbod father, Tran, Becky, etc...) stay away from all this silliness. And yes, i'm still here, cuz I don't know any better and like to laugh sometimes at the comments. __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.

06-29-2012, 01:25 PM	#150
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	oh..well here's my rating. GT500 = Poo on a stick. ZL1 = king of the muscle cars. Anyone wants to dispute that, bring your GT500 poo stick over and we'll do some side by side.