Too little too late?

[LS9CamaroSS]

I am really feeling de ja vous here... all these pony cars and muscle cars are coming out again and i have a feeling that chevy missed the boat yet again on this whole thing... The camaro might be the most anticipated car todate, but i think it is coming a bit late... CAFE standards are going to kill anything with an engine larger than an I4 or L4 in it ford once again is going to make the most profit on the "retro age" of cars and mopar and chevy are going to have the rug pulled from under them damn it!!!!!!!

[acscamarochick06]

I don't think they're too late, but I think they are definitely taking their dear sweet time getting our Camaro out!!! I mean, it's been 2 years since it was announced that we would have our Camaro back! I thought for sure they would have tried to have gotten it out by now. I'm ready for a new car!!

[Chocolate Apocalypse]

While its not the best news I don't think its necessarily a catastrophe. If I remember right the mileage requirements are an average. So small cars, hybrids, and the Volt will help that number tremendously, fuel cell cars aren't too far off either. It's kind of a wait and see deal, I dont think there is any reason to panic just yet.

[VTXrider]

Two Years............. Two Years from concept to reality they are going to take almost 3 full years??

When was the last concept that came to market that fast? I am sure there have been a couple in the past but that is really really fast to develop a car from concept unvealling to production availability. I think they are doing just fine, I want them to fully develop the car so I do not have bugs in the car when released.

I agree with you it has been a long wait but that has to do with us following along and waiting for the car which niether of us have pronaly done before, but 2 years?? Your complaining about 2 years to develop a car from scratch that is really quick, I hope they will have spent sufficient time in development not too much.

[NOODLESgoneWILD]

Naw...CAFE standards are a total average MPG for the entire MFG production lines....All GM has to do (and will) is produce, oh maybe something like the Volt! (Can you hear the sarcasm in my voice) and add a few more Hybrids’, which will offset the new muscle cars...but were still years away from the law makers creating the guidelines and finalizing the rules...so I'm not worried in the slightest.

[Emu the Foo]

remeber the gt90??? never came to production. the chrsyler me 412??? never made it. the mustang changed drasitcaly frm concept and it was already a car in production. the camaro is just in testing so we dont get a failed product when we get it. wouldnt it suck if they only took 1 1/2 or 2 years. maybe there would have been mass recalls. they are taking their time but using it wisely as well

[asrapid]

i've read on another forums that GM investing more money in their new V6 (not just present one) and using even more turbochargers and DI so i don't think camaro won't have enough power from this new powerplantsi f they'll put such engine in not so distant future. New V8 (beyond LS3 versions) are also mention to be smaller with DI. Some rumors are even suggesting that maybe new v8 dohc (not ultra) could be developed if there will be market (but since price of the gasoline is going up and if v6 will have enough power i don't think we will see it)..it all depends on cash flow in GM.

[GothamCamaro]

Originally Posted by VTXrider

Two Years............. Two Years from concept to reality they are going to take almost 3 full years??

When was the last concept that came to market that fast? I am sure there have been a couple in the past but that is really really fast to develop a car from concept unvealling to production availability. I think they are doing just fine, I want them to fully develop the car so I do not have bugs in the car when released.

I agree with you it has been a long wait but that has to do with us following along and waiting for the car which niether of us have pronaly done before, but 2 years?? Your complaining about 2 years to develop a car from scratch that is really quick, I hope they will have spent sufficient time in development not too much.

+1

[Jose_The_Great_Cuervo]

I heard Ford is uprgrading thier V6's w/ turbo's. And Ford's new v6's are suppose to be better than their v8's

[LS9CamaroSS]

If GM isn't taking its time then why the hell is the challenger out already?! i want my damn CAMARO!!! but i also want it to last... i see the volt being a practical car wit good performance times. a new auto maker called Tesla (named after the inventor of the battery Nikola Tesla) has a car that is either a concept or a pre-production vehicle that is full electric based on the Elise. it goes to 60 in 4.4 secs and it has great pick up in the mid range. i'll find the artical at C&D and post it here.

[z28camaro2471]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

If GM isn't taking its time then why the hell is the challenger out already?! i want my damn CAMARO!!! but i also want it to last... i see the volt being a practical car wit good performance times. a new auto maker called Tesla (named after the inventor of the battery Nikola Tesla) has a car that is either a concept or a pre-production vehicle that is full electric based on the Elise. it goes to 60 in 4.4 secs and it has great pick up in the mid range. i'll find the artical at C&D and post it here.

Let's beat a dead horse.

The Camaro is based on a new platform. The Challenger is built entirely off of an existing platform. Just new body panels for it. I understand your frustration, but let's give GM some credit here.

1. They are bringing back the Camaro.
2. They are developing a new platform and testing it appropriately. I'd rather wait than have my car at the dealership every other month.
3. They have stayed about 97% true to the concept (RARE unheard of even). If not for federal regulations and the need to make it affordable, it would probably be 99.999% true to the concept.

The Tesla costs over $75 grand. It will not be a reliable vehicle and I doubt anyone is buying one as their daily driver.

[TheClassicCarKid]

It definitely is too late for Chevrolet to rake in cash over the new Camaro, but at the same time, it's not too little ; )
They won't sell as many cars as mustangs did in 2005 when they first came out, but we'll finally have a 2 door good-looking car from Chevrolet that can beat mustangs up and down the street.
They'll still sell lots of cars and we'll love them for it : ]

[Tran]

Originally Posted by z28camaro2471

The Camaro is based on a new platform. The Challenger is built entirely off of an existing platform. Just new body panels for it. I understand your frustration, but let's give GM some credit here.

1. They are bringing back the Camaro.
2. They are developing a new platform and testing it appropriately. I'd rather wait than have my car at the dealership every other month.
3. They have stayed about 97% true to the concept (RARE unheard of even). If not for federal regulations and the need to make it affordable, it would probably be 99.999% true to the concept.

These are such great points, some of them are ideas I hadn't even thought of.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

If GM isn't taking its time then why the hell is the challenger out already?! i want my damn CAMARO!!!

There's a saying that's gone around since the hiatus of the 4thgen.
"Have Faith." It was purposefully meant for this situation. Camaro will blow all of our expectations away. It will blow the competition away. And it will blow drivers faces away!

All we need to do is wait a few more months. It's coming!!!

Originally Posted by z28camaro2471

Let's beat a dead horse.

The Camaro is based on a new platform. The Challenger is built entirely off of an existing platform. Just new body panels for it. I understand your frustration, but let's give GM some credit here.

1. They are bringing back the Camaro.
2. They are developing a new platform and testing it appropriately. I'd rather wait than have my car at the dealership every other month.
3. They have stayed about 97% true to the concept (RARE unheard of even). If not for federal regulations and the need to make it affordable, it would probably be 99.999% true to the concept.

The Tesla costs over $75 grand. It will not be a reliable vehicle and I doubt anyone is buying one as their daily driver.

Excellent points. Might I also add a couple more?
Zeta, the underpinnings of the Camaro is leaps and bounds over the chassis setup the Challenger has, imho. It runs with the best Bimmers while serving the G8...and I have no doubt it will perform even better holding a Camaro.

Secondly, the Challenger was a parts-bin vehicle. From nose to tail. (with the exception of the body panels, of course). Camaro is the polar opposite of that. Yet another advantage that will lead it to 'victory'. That costs some time, though. Time well spent, omho.

Originally Posted by TheClassicCarKid

It definitely is too late for Chevrolet to rake in cash over the new Camaro, but at the same time, it's not too little ; )
They won't sell as many cars as mustangs did in 2005 when they first came out...

Maybe not...but imo, they'll come pretty darn close - and their buyers will MUCH more satisfied with the purchase than those who jumped for the 'Stang in '05. THAT's what GM needs. another GREAT vehicle round and round to get folks into showrooms, and have them leave feeling impressed. If the Camaro can't do that....well, I'd rather not think about it.


Don't fall into the crowd that's hailing the Camaro as a failure just yet. We wouldn't all be here if this was going to be a dud. Think about it -- so many people are looking at this car - waiting for it, wanting it: that it's kept the anticipation, and fervor alive for the past 2.5 years. With no performance numbers, no final specs, nothing. (well, except for a kick-a$$ design of course)

If this car was doomed to failure - would all the above mentioned people still be drooling over it? I think not. GM's back, and the Camaro, among other cars, will mark the Generals return with loud roar from a monstrous V8!!!!!! !!!!!