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GretchenGotGrowl · 03-18-2013, 11:09 AM

Going in the CTS!?!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283506

lscamaro · 03-18-2013, 11:16 AM

Wow, that's extremely impressive. V8 power from a v6!

Imagine if you can get a lot more out of it with a good tune!

HP Turbine · 03-18-2013, 11:24 AM

verrry nice!

brandonrr · 03-18-2013, 12:02 PM

i wonder if they are using a higher flow HPFP...

if they are, that's great news for the FI junkies wanting more boost.

maybe they will toss this engine in a camaro with the LE package and call it the Z28?

Can't_C_Me · 03-18-2013, 12:08 PM

Now we talking power!!! And yes a tune would wake this thing up even more. Those with a LFX could maybe fit these turbos as it uses the same manifold. HINT HINT GM PARTS PURCHASE TURBOS.

KMPrenger · 03-18-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Can't_C_Me

Now we talking power!!! And yes a tune would wake this thing up even more. Those with a LFX could maybe fit these turbos as it uses the same manifold. HINT HINT GM PARTS PURCHASE TURBOS.

You damn right...I'm loving this!

That thing is amazing. Combined with the 8 speed that large sedan is basically as quick as the stock SS. Can you guys imagine what the lighter next gen Camaro will be capable of??

This isn't just some V6 with turbos either. The standard V6 has some forged parts already, but they strengthed this one even further where it needed it. I bet its just begging for a tune. Easy 500 - 550 HP/TQ.

TJ91 · 03-18-2013, 01:48 PM

really exciting

KMPrenger · 03-18-2013, 03:25 PM

This image is kind of cool.

Looks almost like they are pulling air directly from the airbox to cool the turbo.

BaylorCamaro · 03-18-2013, 03:44 PM

GM taking notes from Gretchen haha.

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KMPrenger · 03-18-2013, 04:08 PM

Also....in the picture above you'll notice that intake is way different than the LFX design. What the heck is that coming out of the side of it? Is that some kind of intercooler located inside the manifold??

Very crazy lol.

EDIT: Ahh hell what am I thinking....Looks like the intake routes air directly down to locations near both turbos. Then it is directed back up to the manifold where it is cooled and then pulled out through the exhaust ports.

Am I seeing that right? Can someone smarter than me explain it? lol.

BaylorCamaro · 03-18-2013, 04:48 PM

Someone said It has integrated into it a intercooler type design, inside/near the manifold. Supposedly like the ls9

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right to travel · 03-18-2013, 04:49 PM

The animation video kinda explains the airflow path. I had to watch it like three times to get most of it. It seems to be a very simple yet complex design. The intake is a part of the first stage of the inter-cooler system. The second part is where the intake manifold used to be. I couldn't tell but i think the throttle body is inside the new manifold thing or somewhere else? I didnt see in front of the manifold cooler thing

I think this engine is going to be awesome but with a 17/25 mpg i can see why GM went with the LT1 in the vette assuming its gets better mpg. but you can bet your next paycheck that the Cadillac version is detuned to 420 hp and 430 torque. If i had to guess the real numbers would be slightly higher than the LT1.

GretchenGotGrowl · 03-18-2013, 08:01 PM

Basically, now I understand it is that the air box is designed to feed both turbos cool air (blue in KMP's picture). Then the charge air flows through specially designed pipes to the intake (red in the picture). If you look closely that's a pipe in a pipe design, so the outside is an intercooler for that turbo. That's pretty much how it works for the LS9 engine and also the supercharged Mini Coopers. Pretty cool design, but probably won't help much at higher boost.

I wouldn't be suprised if right to travel is correct. The LFX in the Caddy is less powerful than in the Camaro (mostly exhaust stuff), so I wouldn't be suprised if we see a bit more power if it ends up in the Camaro. But I don't think it will have more HP than the LT1 (but TQ maybe). Remember, this engine has been certified but the LT1 has not. I think the LT1 will end up at more than 450/450 when it is certified.

kuzman89 · 03-20-2013, 02:50 AM

Tune for tune this would eat the LS3, even in stock form FI is normally faster in the way it makes it's power.

03-18-2013, 11:09 AM	#1
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,129 View My Garage	More LF3 News Going in the CTS!?! http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283506 __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

03-18-2013, 11:16 AM	#2
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	Wow, that's extremely impressive. V8 power from a v6! Imagine if you can get a lot more out of it with a good tune! __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread Last edited by lscamaro; 03-18-2013 at 11:36 AM.

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03-18-2013, 12:02 PM	#4
brandonrr LFX is not the average V6 Drives: 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 314	i wonder if they are using a higher flow HPFP... if they are, that's great news for the FI junkies wanting more boost. maybe they will toss this engine in a camaro with the LE package and call it the Z28? __________________ White 2011 Mustang 5.0 - 4/13/13--current Silver Ice Metallic 2012 Camaro 1LT - 7/27/12--4/13/13 - traded in for mustang Victory Red 2012 Camaro 1LS - 3/27/12 - 7/10/12--totaled POS 2011 Mazda 3 - traded in for camaro 2001 Ford F-150 - traded in for mazda

03-18-2013, 12:08 PM	#5
Can't_C_Me Don't Sleep on My V6 Drives: 2016 C7 1LT Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Oxford, GA Posts: 3,596 View My Garage	Now we talking power!!! And yes a tune would wake this thing up even more. Those with a LFX could maybe fit these turbos as it uses the same manifold. HINT HINT GM PARTS PURCHASE TURBOS. __________________

03-18-2013, 01:48 PM	#7
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,033	really exciting __________________ CAMARO Consult your doctor before taking Camaro Side effects include Sudden increase in Heart Rate, Insomnia and occasional hallucinations If you experience Permagrin exceeding 4 hours after taking Camaro, seek immediate Camaro5 Help CAMARO Bringing excitment back into the Garage

03-18-2013, 03:25 PM	#8
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	This image is kind of cool. Looks almost like they are pulling air directly from the airbox to cool the turbo. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

03-18-2013, 03:44 PM	#9
BaylorCamaro Track > 1/4 Mile Drives: 2016 C7 Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 6,072 View My Garage	GM taking notes from Gretchen haha. Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S III using telekinesis. __________________ Automotive YouTube Channel / Texas World Speedway / MSR Houston

03-18-2013, 04:08 PM	#10
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Also....in the picture above you'll notice that intake is way different than the LFX design. What the heck is that coming out of the side of it? Is that some kind of intercooler located inside the manifold?? Very crazy lol. EDIT: Ahh hell what am I thinking....Looks like the intake routes air directly down to locations near both turbos. Then it is directed back up to the manifold where it is cooled and then pulled out through the exhaust ports. Am I seeing that right? Can someone smarter than me explain it? lol. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

03-18-2013, 04:48 PM	#11
BaylorCamaro Track > 1/4 Mile Drives: 2016 C7 Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 6,072 View My Garage	Someone said It has integrated into it a intercooler type design, inside/near the manifold. Supposedly like the ls9 Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S III using telekinesis. __________________ Automotive YouTube Channel / Texas World Speedway / MSR Houston

03-18-2013, 04:49 PM	#12
right to travel Drives: 2013 Camaro 1SS 1LE SW Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Newport RI Posts: 835 View My Garage	The animation video kinda explains the airflow path. I had to watch it like three times to get most of it. It seems to be a very simple yet complex design. The intake is a part of the first stage of the inter-cooler system. The second part is where the intake manifold used to be. I couldn't tell but i think the throttle body is inside the new manifold thing or somewhere else? I didnt see in front of the manifold cooler thing I think this engine is going to be awesome but with a 17/25 mpg i can see why GM went with the LT1 in the vette assuming its gets better mpg. but you can bet your next paycheck that the Cadillac version is detuned to 420 hp and 430 torque. If i had to guess the real numbers would be slightly higher than the LT1.

03-18-2013, 08:01 PM	#13
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,129 View My Garage	Basically, now I understand it is that the air box is designed to feed both turbos cool air (blue in KMP's picture). Then the charge air flows through specially designed pipes to the intake (red in the picture). If you look closely that's a pipe in a pipe design, so the outside is an intercooler for that turbo. That's pretty much how it works for the LS9 engine and also the supercharged Mini Coopers. Pretty cool design, but probably won't help much at higher boost. I wouldn't be suprised if right to travel is correct. The LFX in the Caddy is less powerful than in the Camaro (mostly exhaust stuff), so I wouldn't be suprised if we see a bit more power if it ends up in the Camaro. But I don't think it will have more HP than the LT1 (but TQ maybe). Remember, this engine has been certified but the LT1 has not. I think the LT1 will end up at more than 450/450 when it is certified. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

03-20-2013, 02:50 AM	#14
kuzman89 Drives: Ly7 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: bezza Posts: 253	Tune for tune this would eat the LS3, even in stock form FI is normally faster in the way it makes it's power.