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ThaCamaroKid · 04-18-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikamaro

Hey, have you notice the Car they tested doesn't have the Front Spliter!
Perhaps that explains some discrepancy in the test results.

That is a bit strange but that doesn't explain the slow 0-60 and a 13 1/4, that is just driver error, good catch though.

Mikamaro · 04-18-2013, 09:33 AM

These are the Results to compare it to the original Track test done by Edmunds on the 2010 Model year
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cam...est-specs.html

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe
(6.2L V8 6-speed Manual)

Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
75 mph (sec.) 6.8
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 109.4
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 111
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.8
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.86
Sound level @ idle (dB) 47.6
@ Full throttle (dB) 81.8
@ 70 mph cruise (dB) 70.0

Acceleration comments
This car favors a boggy launch with minimal wheelspin. Shifter is very good, but clutch uptake is right on the floor. Gear spacing must've been planned to reach the quarter-mile at the very very top of 3rd gear. Strong motor with no dead spots all the way to redline.

Braking rating: Very Good

Braking comments
First stop was best, but subsequent ones were still very good, showing no signs of fade. Pedal effort is moderate to firm. Little dive and no squirm.

Handling rating: Good

Handling comments
Slalom: Huge yaw delay as the car was reluctant to turn in. As a result, I'd either arrive "late" at each cone or I had to force myself to turn earlier than I'd like to. This car was neutral to a fault, meaning it neither understeered nor oversteered, giving me few tools to make it go through faster. Skid pad: Extremely balanced. I could steer it with the throttle alone. Steering feels natural and loads predictably.

Legendary Umbra · 04-18-2013, 12:19 PM

I have to say its a negative review or close to neutral...perhaps they should get better drivers to punish the 1LE before they just give an opinion after one driver's averages are put up for statistics. I love how these reviews on Ford, Chevy, and Dodge never really have a credible base line to start and then never take several different drivers. I would say its a novice driver in the performance car, but I for one would like to know someone who is capable of pounding the pavement put it through the ringer and come up with some averages then. I would be willing to bet we would have a better article than the 'ho-hum-yawn' that we typically get from some of these magazines.

Dropspeed · 04-18-2013, 03:37 PM

This is Edmunds. I didn't expect any more or less from them and I don't race magazine articles.

I didn't buy (or) order the 1LE because I care what the people that read Edmunds think of me or my car. I know what it can do and what it will do for me!

Matt

Mikamaro · 04-18-2013, 04:28 PM

For me these are the 2 most important statements that I've hear about the Camaro SS.

The first one made me think about upgrading the suspension and dynamics of the car with the 1LE track pack and the second one confirmed that I made the right choice waiting 3 years to do it GM Performance Parts.

Quote: Randy Posbt from The 2009 Car&Driver best Driver’s car Laguna Seca Hot lap.
" Understeer! frustrating understeer. When I got done with my hot laps, I didn't want to drive it anymore. There is hope, potential is what I see here. I just think they've been too conservative at Chevrolet with the handling setup. "

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2QqozMJVB

Quote: Randy Posbt from 2013 Ignition Episode: 2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE: Best Handling Camaro Ever!
"The Camaro is definitely at home on the race track. Minimal body roll, well controlled for what is essentially a street car. It behave very well as a race car. I’d race this Camaro right now; Frankly. This is the best balanced Camaro yet! "
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-chevr...on-310955.html

Iron Lung Jimmy · 04-18-2013, 04:36 PM

Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

FINALLYSATISFIED · 04-18-2013, 06:24 PM

The 2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE was born from complaints from only 2 percent of Camaro drivers...

I wonder how they got that info?

PYROLYSIS · 04-18-2013, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

RLHMARINES · 04-18-2013, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve.

You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them.

Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though.

I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car.

This quarter mile test was not done on a semi prepped drag strip but on the front straightaway at Roebling Roads road course on a cool day for a little comparison to other runs that we know to be better in the 1LE. But we also must take into consideration that this car might be a little tight from not be broken in yet along with tires that perform much better on warmer days.

Motorweek has in the past put up some impressive numbers for their test Camaro's especially SLP tuner cars but they used the drag strip in Maryland for all of their numbers gathering tests when weather permitted and Roebling Roads near Savannah, Ga for road course work.

JimE · 04-18-2013, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

Understandable but they should at least be able to find a driver that can outdrive the traction control and stabilitrak. They most likely tried it with the nannys off and couldn't get better numbers.

The times posted are faster with TC off (as noted in the article). Or am I missing something?

OverZeaLouS · 04-19-2013, 07:22 AM

Going to Edmunds.com for performance car reviews is like going to church for a strip tease. You just don't do it.

camarolt76 · 04-20-2013, 07:33 AM

The review was short and to the point, but I thought it was fine.

CRTZL1 · 04-23-2013, 04:31 PM

Edmunds always has higher 0-60 and quarter times..I find there information to be invalid. I base this off the other many reviews that continually show different and better results...
This is not just the 1LE , they do this with every car. THERE FRAUDS or they just can't Drive..
Maybe they can learn from this guy!!!

http://youtu.be/vYiFiWn38jw

Norm Peterson · 04-23-2013, 06:39 PM

Poorer measured results can be blamed at least in part on the venue at which the car was tested. A few hundredths difference in lateral-g or a mph or two in the slalom is not unusual.

I don't think the test driver ever got fully familiar with the car, given his repeated mention of visibility as a handicap.

Norm

04-18-2013, 09:33 AM	#16
Mikamaro MikeNoMaro Drives: A 2016 Challenger R/T M6 STP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,375 View My Garage	These are the Results to compare it to the original Track test done by Edmunds on the 2010 Model year http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cam...est-specs.html 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe (6.2L V8 6-speed Manual) Track Test Results 0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4 0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1 75 mph (sec.) 6.8 1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 109.4 0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7 Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27 60-0 mph (ft.) 111 Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.8 Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.86 Sound level @ idle (dB) 47.6 @ Full throttle (dB) 81.8 @ 70 mph cruise (dB) 70.0 Acceleration comments This car favors a boggy launch with minimal wheelspin. Shifter is very good, but clutch uptake is right on the floor. Gear spacing must've been planned to reach the quarter-mile at the very very top of 3rd gear. Strong motor with no dead spots all the way to redline. Braking rating: Very Good Braking comments First stop was best, but subsequent ones were still very good, showing no signs of fade. Pedal effort is moderate to firm. Little dive and no squirm. Handling rating: Good Handling comments Slalom: Huge yaw delay as the car was reluctant to turn in. As a result, I'd either arrive "late" at each cone or I had to force myself to turn earlier than I'd like to. This car was neutral to a fault, meaning it neither understeered nor oversteered, giving me few tools to make it go through faster. Skid pad: Extremely balanced. I could steer it with the throttle alone. Steering feels natural and loads predictably. __________________ Track Day Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgoodman2000/videos Built #83817, Born January 18th, Christened June 11th 2010, Stolen October 3rd 2016.

04-18-2013, 12:19 PM	#17
Legendary Umbra Drives: 2013 2SS/RS 1LE Summit White Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: TeXaS Posts: 29	Negative Review... I have to say its a negative review or close to neutral...perhaps they should get better drivers to punish the 1LE before they just give an opinion after one driver's averages are put up for statistics. I love how these reviews on Ford, Chevy, and Dodge never really have a credible base line to start and then never take several different drivers. I would say its a novice driver in the performance car, but I for one would like to know someone who is capable of pounding the pavement put it through the ringer and come up with some averages then. I would be willing to bet we would have a better article than the 'ho-hum-yawn' that we typically get from some of these magazines. __________________

04-18-2013, 03:37 PM	#18
Dropspeed 2013 Camaro SS1LECTSVZ28 Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Suburbs of Detroit, MI Posts: 2,440	This is Edmunds. I didn't expect any more or less from them and I don't race magazine articles. I didn't buy (or) order the 1LE because I care what the people that read Edmunds think of me or my car. I know what it can do and what it will do for me! Matt __________________ My 1LE Build/Journal : http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990

04-18-2013, 04:28 PM	#19
Mikamaro MikeNoMaro Drives: A 2016 Challenger R/T M6 STP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,375 View My Garage	For me these are the 2 most important statements that I've hear about the Camaro SS. The first one made me think about upgrading the suspension and dynamics of the car with the 1LE track pack and the second one confirmed that I made the right choice waiting 3 years to do it GM Performance Parts. Quote: Randy Posbt* from The 2009 Car&Driver best Driver’s car Laguna Seca Hot lap. " Understeer! frustrating understeer. When I got done with my hot laps, I didn't want to drive it anymore. There is hope, potential is what I see here. I just think they've been too conservative at Chevrolet with the handling setup. " Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...#ixzz2QqozMJVB Quote: Randy Posbt from 2013 Ignition Episode: 2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE: Best Handling Camaro Ever!* "The Camaro is definitely at home on the race track. Minimal body roll, well controlled for what is essentially a street car. It behave very well as a race car. I’d race this Camaro right now; Frankly. This is the best balanced Camaro yet! " Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-chevr...on-310955.html __________________ Track Day Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgoodman2000/videos Built #83817, Born January 18th, Christened June 11th 2010, Stolen October 3rd 2016.

04-18-2013, 04:36 PM	#20
Iron Lung Jimmy Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,446	Lots of complaining going on about the "negative review"... but those results basically reflect about all the vast majority of owners will be able to achieve. You want Randy Pobst to put up some handling numbers? Why? You will never be able to duplicate them. Maybe we could get Evan Smith (if he would actually drive a Camaro) to put up some hero 1/4 mile times that NOBODY will be able to match. They'll look great on paper, though. I don't know who that test driver is, but he is probably better than most of us. I think those numbers are a pretty accurate representation of what 90% of owners can expect out of the car. Last edited by Iron Lung Jimmy; 04-18-2013 at 04:43 PM. Reason: clarity

04-18-2013, 06:24 PM	#21
FINALLYSATISFIED Est.1775 Drives: '15 Challenger Hellcat (sold) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 5,502	The 2013 Chevy Camaro 1LE was born from complaints from only 2 percent of Camaro drivers... I wonder how they got that info?

04-19-2013, 07:22 AM	#25
OverZeaLouS Drives: 17 Camaro 2SS & 16 acura TLX Join Date: May 2010 Location: DFW, Tx Posts: 85	Going to Edmunds.com for performance car reviews is like going to church for a strip tease. You just don't do it.

04-20-2013, 07:33 AM	#26
camarolt76 2SS/RS Black/CGM Stripes Drives: 88 Iroc, 76 Camaro, 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hampton Roads Virginia Posts: 599 View My Garage	The review was short and to the point, but I thought it was fine. __________________ 2SS/RS Black with CGM Rally Stripes (#8575) Built on 8th of May, Delivered 10 June 2009.

04-23-2013, 04:31 PM	#27
CRTZL1 Banned Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: N.Y. Posts: 1,545	Edmunds always has higher 0-60 and quarter times..I find there information to be invalid. I base this off the other many reviews that continually show different and better results... This is not just the 1LE , they do this with every car. THERE FRAUDS or they just can't Drive.. Maybe they can learn from this guy!!! http://youtu.be/vYiFiWn38jw

04-23-2013, 06:39 PM	#28
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	Poorer measured results can be blamed at least in part on the venue at which the car was tested. A few hundredths difference in lateral-g or a mph or two in the slalom is not unusual. I don't think the test driver ever got fully familiar with the car, given his repeated mention of visibility as a handicap. Norm