Halltech for CAI ?

[Badbubba]

Originally Posted by 14pilot

The Halltech slightly edged out the C.A.I. on the Jannetty CAI test. Halltech plus 1.

The Halltech has a plastic tube vs. the C.A.I. metal tube. Halltech plus 2.

OP, you already have the Halltech. Keeping it plus 3.

BTW, I don't have either one, but I can read and interpret the test results...

Plastic tube is a + over the CAI metal tube? Reason being? Just curious.

[axis]

Originally Posted by Badbubba

Plastic tube is a + over the CAI metal tube? Reason being? Just curious.

Heatsoak.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by fargomike

Its the fit basically , no matter how I adjust it the filter hit the hood insulation . The rubber seal on the box is coming off .The filter ribs on the fender well . Looking on the Halltech site it appears they changed the design with a new coupler and heatshield trim . I emailed them still waiting to see what they can do if anything . Had it almost 3 years now just dealing with it.

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I have literally the same issues. The rubber seal came off a while ago and the filter rubs the hood insulation. I am very inimpressed with the quality of the unit, i do however like the performance it gives. If it wasn't for the fact that I already own have one and don't feel like shelling out the cash for a different intake I'd be in the market for something different.

The CAI unit has a metal tube, yes. But I was under the impression that it is ceramic coated to take care of the heat soak situation.

[SSMickey]

Originally Posted by Denis

The CAI unit has a metal tube, yes. But I was under the impression that it is ceramic coated to take care of the heat soak situation.

Not sure if it's ceramic or not, but it is coated with something to help with the heat soak. You are correct.

[Badbubba]

Originally Posted by axis

Heatsoak.

Has there been any significant logging to verify that the cai will heat the intake air more than the the plastic tube? I know jannetty did some tests. But my thinking is that the metal tube is considerably hotter since it is not transferring the heat to the intake air. Given a fixed temp under the hood, say heat soaking at idle, then that is the ambient temp under the hood. If the plastic tube is cooler, then it must be tranferring heat to the intake charge. It can not be cooler by rejecting heat. It is the under hood ambient temp. If so, black plastic tube should be hotter than the cai, thus no heat transfer to intake air, insulated from under hood temps. If cooler, then heat transfer to intake air is happening.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by axis

Heatsoak.

Best defense against heat soak, is

A) make sure your CAI Is in a well built sealed box!


B) put the location of your MAF INSIDE the sealed box where the IAT's are at their lowest!

ADM RACE CAI DOES BOTH OF THESE!
The materials are lightweight yet very strong aluminum, with aircraft quality screws and fasteners! There are 8 of these high quality screws along with a rubber seal under the lid. When you tighten this baby down, it is tight as HELL!
Hot air from the engine is not an issue now!

When you combine the ADM RACE CAI w/SCOOP, you get the coldest possible air minus the heat soak of other intakes!
By having the MAF inside this sealed box, you are allowing the ECM to read the coolest air temps, that equates to MORE TIMING ALLOWED AND LESS KNOCK RETARD BEING TRIGGERED! The timing factor is the most critical aspect of gaining HP with a CAI vs stock, then you also benefit from sealing off the filter inside a well constructed box, away from the engine heat!

You will not have any issues with quality of materials!

Basically it's like taking a CAI from CAI inc to another level! Both are great intakes due to the very tight box! ADM gets the edge with the MAF inside the box!
Plus ADM IS INTERCHANGABLE AND CAN STILL BE USED WITH SUPERCHARGERS or TURBOS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO A COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ROUTE!

[14pilot]

Again, go back and read the Jannetty CAI tests. Read all the data, not just the peak HP.

The Halltech out performed the C.A.I. and it's $100 less in cost.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by 14pilot

Again, go back and read the Jannetty CAI tests. Read all the data, not just the peak HP.

The Halltech out performed the C.A.I. and it's $100 less in cost.

But it appears that the $100 went into the CAI build quality where as they skimped out on the Halltech unit.

[14pilot]

Originally Posted by Denis

But it appears that the $100 went into the CAI build quality where as they skimped out on the Halltech unit.

Yeah, I got no argument on the C.A.I. build quality. I have nothing but respect for it's build quality even though I personally don't care for its visual aesthetics.

I will say that if you're not the guy that needs bling under the hood for "hoods open" events, you get a bit more performance from the Halltech for $100 less. My use for a cold air system is to beat you with the hood closed and the wheels turning. I've got no problem getting less approval at a gathering where the hood is up and the wheels are just holding the car off the ground.

I don't own either C.A.I. or Halltech. And I'm not here to rain on the C.A.I. that is much loved by the faithful flock here.

I just think that for whatever reason the Halltech doesn't get the love that the C.A.I. does on this forum. And yes, build quality must be one of the reasons for this.

[VR Baron]

Yeah quality could be better on the Halltech as far as the box is concerend, but performance is where they focussed. Special designed tube, no heat soak. huge filter and box that seals well.CAI leans the A/F way to much and ecu has to richen it alot to bring it back in line. Halltech its really close to the stock numbers

[axis]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

Best defense against heat soak, is

A) make sure your CAI Is in a well built sealed box!


B) put the location of your MAF INSIDE the sealed box where the IAT's are at their lowest!

ADM RACE CAI DOES BOTH OF THESE!
The materials are lightweight yet very strong aluminum, with aircraft quality screws and fasteners! There are 8 of these high quality screws along with a rubber seal under the lid. When you tighten this baby down, it is tight as HELL!
Hot air from the engine is not an issue now!

When you combine the ADM RACE CAI w/SCOOP, you get the coldest possible air minus the heat soak of other intakes!
By having the MAF inside this sealed box, you are allowing the ECM to read the coolest air temps, that equates to MORE TIMING ALLOWED AND LESS KNOCK RETARD BEING TRIGGERED! The timing factor is the most critical aspect of gaining HP with a CAI vs stock, then you also benefit from sealing off the filter inside a well constructed box, away from the engine heat!

You will not have any issues with quality of materials!

Basically it's like taking a CAI from CAI inc to another level! Both are great intakes due to the very tight box! ADM gets the edge with the MAF inside the box!
Plus ADM IS INTERCHANGABLE AND CAN STILL BE USED WITH SUPERCHARGERS or TURBOS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO A COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ROUTE!

As I said in one of the other threads, how can you get any colder than ambient? Both the CAI and Halltech have IAT's right at ambient. Does it matter where the MAF is if you're already getting ambient IAT's? Both of those get ambient temps without the scoop. I would assume the ADM is getting ambient IAT's without the scoop as well. The scoop just increases the amount of air that's available at the filter. How does ADM accommodate at turbo with their stock setup?

[MOCamaro]

[QUOTE=VR Baron;6561538....CAI leans the A/F way to much and ecu has to richen it alot to bring it back in line. Halltech its really close to the stock numbers[/QUOTE]

This is the first I've seen someone else say it, but my experience with my CAI is that when the engine is coming off cold start but not at normal operating temp, it suffers from lean out at low/mid rpm. Given the very limited occurrence, I'm not really worried about it, but wonder if anyone else has noticed the same with their CAI or Halltech?

Not trying to hijack the thread...this might be useful in helping OP decide whether or not to keep his Halltech....

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by MOCamaro

This is the first I've seen someone else say it, but my experience with my CAI is that when the engine is coming off cold start but not at normal operating temp, it suffers from lean out at low/mid rpm. Given the very limited occurrence, I'm not really worried about it, but wonder if anyone else has noticed the same with their CAI or Halltech?

Not trying to hijack the thread...this might be useful in helping OP decide whether or not to keep his Halltech....

Got that info from the cai test thread Jannity did. CAI not the only on that does it either.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by axis

As I said in one of the other threads, how can you get any colder than ambient? Both the CAI and Halltech have IAT's right at ambient. Does it matter where the MAF is if you're already getting ambient IAT's? Both of those get ambient temps without the scoop. I would assume the ADM is getting ambient IAT's without the scoop as well. The scoop just increases the amount of air that's available at the filter. How does ADM accommodate at turbo with their stock setup?

The answer is you can't get any colder than ambient. And even tho all 3 CAI's (halltech, CAI inc, ADM Race) do a good job at getting "close" to ambient, the farther you put the MAF down the tube the more you get away from ambient! Otherwise there would be no such thing as heat soak! It would be a fictitious term! This is why it matters where the MAF is. Especially on the street when its under normal driving conditions and your tube will most definitely be hotter from all the engine bay heat. Not in a dyno where you have huge high powered fans keeping hot air to a minimum. I at least like how RacnJason is conducting his new dyno test doing a cold and hot assimilated test.

Outside of the air temp issue that we discussed, the OP and others were also concerned about the quality of materials that the halltech is made from.

ADM is very high quality AND if you get it painted, it's one of the best looking CAI'S out there.