Camaro Update: A Few Little Things...

[fastball]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

you all keep stating a 3.3 sec 0-60 time for the GT-R. remember how it gets that consistently. it's the snob switch. it has been programmed with a button to give the right amount of power to the drive train to allow for that 0-60 time. I bet you if the camaro/corvette/etc had that type of technology behind it we'd see the same if not better in some cases.

Don't need any technology, just a true stick shift with short throws and a quick clutch, and a good driver.

Rev the engine up to the sweet spot and drop the clutch right, shift fast and smooth without droping too many revs, and you'll be right there. If the GT-R came with a true stick shift, a good driver would easily get that 3.3 0-60 time.

[edbrick]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

you all keep stating a 3.3 sec 0-60 time for the GT-R. remember how it gets that consistently. it's the snob switch. it has been programmed with a button to give the right amount of power to the drive train to allow for that 0-60 time. I bet you if the camaro/corvette/etc had that type of technology behind it we'd see the same if not better in some cases. the GT-R is a nintendo generation nerd mobile. I respect the technology but believe that car was designed for people that can't drive. it's aimed at the rich people that can afford anything and want to look cool. but enough of this bench racing. the only way we will see how fast these cars are is to actually race them after they are both out.

I'm tired of hearing how great the GT-R is. The Z06 is just as good. The GT-R is a little faster through the slalom. SO WHAT. The Z06 is way faster where most of us love to play. Zero to 120 only takes ten seconds in the z06. It will take you two long seconds more in the GT-R and if I could even get my hands on a GT-R, which I can't unless I want to pay over 100k, I could still get a z06 for way cheaper probably at invoice (67K).

[edbrick]

And lets see what happens when ZR 1 comes out.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by edbrick

And lets see what happens when ZR 1 comes out.

+1

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by fastball

Don't need any technology, just a true stick shift with short throws and a quick clutch, and a good driver.

Rev the engine up to the sweet spot and drop the clutch right, shift fast and smooth without droping too many revs, and you'll be right there. If the GT-R came with a true stick shift, a good driver would easily get that 3.3 0-60 time.

I never said it wasn't possible with out the snobb switch. but whenever I've heard/seen it tested that's how they launch the thing. that's how it's so consistent also. And That's why I don't care for the car more then anything. It's aimed at the rich guy that can't drive. why do you think they have the launch control? lol.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by theholycow

It's never enough.

They're always hungry...for more.

Tell me about it.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

It's aimed at the rich guy that can't drive. why do you think they have the launch control? lol.

I would respectfully disagree. Why hate on a car just because it offers that type technology, such as launch control. I personally like the idea that I have access to the latest technology and I especially like the dual-clutch transmission. Hey if its good enough for F1 cars, its good enough for me. Now would we say that an indy driver can't drive?

Maybe you are right in one sense. The car was built to perform anytime, anywhere, and for anyone. That was Nissan's goal to begin with and they have done it. In my opinion it doesn't make it less of a car, it makes it a better car. And it shines a big light on all other car manufactures and says, hey why can't you be as good? The end result is competition will force other cars to be better in the same price range. To put this in the perspective of this forum, do you think the next gen Camaro will be a better car than the first gen? Absolutely it will be, in all aspects. Because technology advances and Nissan did us all a favor. They have successfully raised the bar for all other manufacturers to meet. By delivering the latest technology and essentially knocking the 911 off of its pedestal for a fraction of the cost.

-ron

[edbrick]

Originally Posted by rmyers

I would respectfully disagree. Why hate on a car just because it offers that type technology, such as launch control. I personally like the idea that I have access to the latest technology and I especially like the dual-clutch transmission. Hey if its good enough for F1 cars, its good enough for me. Now would we say that an indy driver can't drive?

Maybe you are right in one sense. The car was built to perform anytime, anywhere, and for anyone. That was Nissan's goal to begin with and they have done it. In my opinion it doesn't make it less of a car, it makes it a better car. And it shines a big light on all other car manufactures and says, hey why can't you be as good? The end result is competition will force other cars to be better in the same price range. To put this in the perspective of this forum, do you think the next gen Camaro will be a better car than the first gen? Absolutely it will be, in all aspects. Because technology advances and Nissan did us all a favor. They have successfully raised the bar for all other manufacturers to meet. By delivering the latest technology and essentially knocking the 911 off of its pedestal for a fraction of the cost.

-ron

The reason I don't like hearing about this car is when you hear a GT-R cheerleader they won't even acknowlege the competition. The Z06 is its equal and the ZR 1 will have its way with the GT-R at the same price.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by edbrick

The reason I don't like hearing about this car is when you hear a GT-R cheerleader they won't even acknowlege the competition. The Z06 is its equal and the ZR 1 will have its way with the GT-R at the same price.

That's the way I feel as well. When the C6 Z06 came out, sure people oohed, and ahhed; but it never got this kind of attention. People are falling over themselves for this car; and even though the Z06 is still freaking amazing, it seems (to me at least) to have been tossed to the side. It's , frankly.

[DGthe3]

wanna talk about tossed to the side? what about the Viper? it tends to beat the Z06 around the track in any review. But it hardly ever gets mentioned when the GTR gets brought up.

[Dark Eric]

Originally Posted by ihc95

0-60 in the low 4's????? Sorry, thats Ferrari territory. Mabey mid to high 4's

It could be possible, because the new GXP G8 on the cover of the new Motor Trend does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, and its a sedan with 402 HP, that could weight almost 300lbs more than the Camaro, though mid 4s is more realistic. The last GTO did mid 4s too, well 4.6 seconds, some estimates even faster with auto for some reason. Either way I'd be happy though.

The 2005 model year continued with the addition of standard hood scoops, split rear exhaust, and late in the year, optional 18 inch (45.7 cm) wheels. The major change for 2005 was the replacement of the LS1 engine with the LS2 engine. This 5,967 cc (364.1 cu in) motor increased power and torque in the GTO to 400 hp (298 kW) with 400 ft·lbf (542 N·m) torque. With this improved powerplant, Pontiac claimed the car capable of 0 to 60 mph (97 km/h) in 4.6 seconds and a 13.0 second quarter mile at 108 mph (174 km/h) (automatic transmission). Car and Driver magazine tested the car at a wheel-spinning 4.8 seconds 0-60 mph and 13.3 seconds at 107 mph (172 km/h) for the quarter mile[1]. -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

wanna talk about tossed to the side? what about the Viper? it tends to beat the Z06 around the track in any review. But it hardly ever gets mentioned when the GTR gets brought up.

Are you serious?!?!??!?! have you ever read a comparo of an SRT10 vs. a Z06? the Corvette hangs right there!!! all day long too and in some respects beats the SRT10! yes i will agree the Viper looks drop dead amazing, but give me a break!!! as per the last C&D comparo the top American performance vehicle (this doesn't include saleen and the like) is the Chevrolet Corvette Z06! i can redirect you if you'd like. and even though the corvette does have HP short commings against an 8L V10 remember that this is a 7.0L V8

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The estimates are hovering around 525 hp for the GTR and very few expect the top Camaro to exceed 550 hp. that nissan whooped the Z06 around the nurburgring. in addition to power to weight there is also brakes, suspension, tranmission, and all wheel drive. There is no way that any stock Camaro will be able to beat the GTR in anything but a straight line. It may come close, which is good enough for the price.

Yes but remember it depends on the tuning of the camaro's suspension and such when the 550HP version does come out... if you ask me the GT-R might not want to over look this pony car come game day... it might get bit in the ass... and the Z06 was beaten by 4.0 seconds when put up against the GT-R on the track so i don't wanna hear any whining that people are falling all over themselves... they were for the C6 Z06 and now they are for a superior car... get over it (i have always loved the Corvette so don't call me an import lover...)

[edbrick]

For the price I will take the Z06 all day long. Now there is news of a 500 horse GT-R I wonder what brought that on. Could it BE the ZR-1.