Camaro SS vs. 2009 WRX

[Miketebo22]

Originally Posted by Camaro82

You have to consider how they are being raced. Is it on drag strip, or race track.

Camaro SS is an american muscle, it meant to go fast in Straight line only. It weigh like a luxury yacht and can't handle at all.

WRX however, is meant more for track/rally use. It can go fast in straight line AND CAN handle in corners.

If you take these cars to the drag strip, the Camaro SS will win.

If you take these cars to the Race track, the WRX will win by large margin.

But, my questions is this, what is the fun of speed if your only going fast in straight line? When I was teen and young adult, the only thing I cared about was 0-60 time and 1/4 mile.

However, last year, I followed my boss to the race track and it really opened up my eyes. I have discovered the truth in racing. Its a science of getting the most out of the car with a right balance of speed and handling!!

Now, I wanted a fast car that capable of going fast and handle...thats why I got Nissan 370z..lol

by the way, my name is camaro82 because I created my profile last year with intention to buy Camaro. But ever since i found out how much Camaro SS weighted, it really turned me off. haha, I wonder if i can change my name....

Really guy??? SS cant handle??

VIA Motortrend

"A Camaro SS ran the Nürburgring in 8:20.

A quick scan of an authoritative listing (it definitely looks authoritative, anyway) of Nürburgring lap times at supercars.net shows cars posting a lap time of 8:20 include the E36-generation BMW M3 in 1999, the Porsche 911 GT3 (993 generation) in the same year driven by 'Ring ace Walter Roehrl and stuff like the Audi RS6 in 2001. For a little extra perspective on that 8:20 lap time, GM recently boasted the coming '09 Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26.4."

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

It is genius

People like me are why they invented spell check.


No denial here



You should try it sometime.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by Zeus

People like me are why they invented spell check.


No denial here



You should try it sometime.

You still spelled it wrong so maybe YOU should try it

[Mosher]

Originally Posted by Miketebo22

Really guy??? SS cant handle??

VIA Motortrend

"A Camaro SS ran the Nürburgring in 8:20.

A quick scan of an authoritative listing (it definitely looks authoritative, anyway) of Nürburgring lap times at supercars.net shows cars posting a lap time of 8:20 include the E36-generation BMW M3 in 1999, the Porsche 911 GT3 (993 generation) in the same year driven by 'Ring ace Walter Roehrl and stuff like the Audi RS6 in 2001. For a little extra perspective on that 8:20 lap time, GM recently boasted the coming '09 Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26.4."

Actually, someone bettered this with a production car to 8:19. There just is nothing wrong with that.

[Camaro82]

Originally Posted by Miketebo22

Really guy??? SS cant handle??

VIA Motortrend

"A Camaro SS ran the Nürburgring in 8:20.

A quick scan of an authoritative listing (it definitely looks authoritative, anyway) of Nürburgring lap times at supercars.net shows cars posting a lap time of 8:20 include the E36-generation BMW M3 in 1999, the Porsche 911 GT3 (993 generation) in the same year driven by 'Ring ace Walter Roehrl and stuff like the Audi RS6 in 2001. For a little extra perspective on that 8:20 lap time, GM recently boasted the coming '09 Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26.4."

oky, I just did a research and indeed Camaro SS got 8:20.

I am very implessed and it changed my mind. haha

Camaro SS is fast in straight line and CAN handle.

Hey, if you give me an argument with a valid data, then I am not afraid to admit my mistake and rectify.

As a Nissan 370z owner, I woudn't want to be next to Camaro SS in the stop light. HAHHAHA

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Camaro82

oky, I just did a research and indeed Camaro SS got 8:20.

I am very implessed and it changed my mind. haha

Camaro SS is fast in straight line and CAN handle.

Hey, if you give me an argument with a valid data, then I am not afraid to admit my mistake and rectify.

As a Nissan 370z owner, I woudn't want to be next to Camaro SS in the stop light. HAHHAHA

Handling, in itself, is a relative term.



If I drive tractors and 18wheelers all day, I could get into a Dodge Challenger and think it was a good handling car.


If your coming from a 370z, your going to think the Camaro handles like a boat regardless of how fast it did the Nurburgring. They are really very very different cars, and I spent a long time comparing the two.


Let me save you some time and give you the punch line. The Z is the sports car and the Camaro is the grand touring car. The end. Everything else is fluff. The Camaro has more power, but really isnt all that much faster because of the weight. The Camaro is more comfortable, and has more seats. The Z makes up what it looses in practicality in performance.

[MerlinZero]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Handling, in itself, is a relative term.



If I drive tractors and 18wheelers all day, I could get into a Dodge Challenger and think it was a good handling car.


If your coming from a 370z, your going to think the Camaro handles like a boat regardless of how fast it did the Nurburgring. They are really very very different cars, and I spent a long time comparing the two.


Let me save you some time and give you the punch line. The Z is the sports car and the Camaro is the grand touring car. The end. Everything else is fluff. The Camaro has more power, but really isnt all that much faster because of the weight. The Camaro is more comfortable, and has more seats. The Z makes up what it looses in practicality in performance.

OWWW my brain hurts...

why is a 370Z being compared to an SS comaro in a WRX thread?

As i've already said. the 09 WRX is great and will keep up i believe with the FE2 tuned suspension of the V6.... against the SS the camaro will just pull too hard in the straights.

now for the 370... its not a damn sports car.. its a sporty coupe... and no shit the Camaro is a Grand tourer.... its a 2+2 RWD FE which is kinda the definition of a GT car.....

again.. OW

[Van]

FE?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by MerlinZero

OWWW my brain hurts...

why is a 370Z being compared to an SS comaro in a WRX thread?

As i've already said. the 09 WRX is great and will keep up i believe with the FE2 tuned suspension of the V6.... against the SS the camaro will just pull too hard in the straights.

now for the 370... its not a damn sports car.. its a sporty coupe... and no shit the Camaro is a Grand tourer.... its a 2+2 RWD FE which is kinda the definition of a GT car.....

again.. OW

Sounds like a personal problem.


Explain to me again how the Z isnt a sports car?

[Van]

I've always thought of Z's,Supra's, Skylines, and the like as tuner sportscars, though I consider the Scooby and the EVO not as sports cars but Rally inspired cars. The Camaro/Mustang/Charger/Challenger types as muscle (pony) cars.

Never quite understood the concept of the "grand touring" type vehicle being attributed to cars like the Camaro. Yes the Camaro is larger and heavier...but I don't think it was designed as a luxury high speed long distance runner. The term GT is sort of misnomer with a lot of the cars that the label is tacked on to. A Viper for example...isn't a true GT vehicle but it sometimes called as such.

I think it was designed to be an American muscle car with little regard to cargo-space or long distance. Original grand turismo type cars were farther up in the luxury ladder--and HP for that matter.

[MerlinZero]

Originally Posted by Van

I've always thought of Z's,Supra's, Skylines, and the like as tuner sportscars, though I consider the Scooby and the EVO not as sports cars but Rally inspired cars. The Camaro/Mustang/Charger/Challenger types as muscle (pony) cars.

Never quite understood the concept of the "grand touring" type vehicle being attributed to cars like the Camaro. Yes the Camaro is larger and heavier...but I don't think it was designed as a luxury high speed long distance runner. The term GT is sort of misnomer with a lot of the cars that the label is tacked on to. A Viper for example...isn't a true GT vehicle but it sometimes called as such.

I think it was designed to be an American muscle car with little regard to cargo-space or long distance. Original grand turismo type cars were farther up in the luxury ladder--and HP for that matter.

Grand Touring is more attributed to the type of races they were entered in. DB's, Massa, Ferrari 612's are all GT cars because it more the endurance long distance road racing that they do... Same goes for the Camaro.

[cmgolfr212]

From someone who used to own a modded 04 wrx with 300whp and suspension mods, The SS will win at the drag strip and also on a fairly large road course like Road Atlanta or VIR. Unless you have the stiffest coilovers and some pretty big sway bars, the wrx understeers big time going into corners. Also, the wrx's brakes suck. The STI's have brembos but I know the 09 wrxs dont and come with just 4 piston fronts and 2 piston rear calipers.

With my WRX i had COBB springs KYB struts and cusco swaybars and even though the WRX felt more nimble, no doubt the SS will take it on a larger road course around the corners. The straight aways will not be a match for a wrx. I hope this helps from someone who drove a modded wrx for 5 1/2 years.

Also, something to note the wrx has some terrible turbo lag and dont make anywhere near their peak HP curve till around 5600 RPM and the same goes for torque. The SS will pull harder down in the lower RPMs when compared to the WRX.

The interior is much better on the SS primarilly because when I turn my system up loud I dont hear any rattles. Those might have came with the loud exhaust over time but still, the interior is a POS. The only thing I really liked about my car is the performance on the track, street, mud and snow. Plus the GF likes the SS 200x more than the wrx!

[blinkme323]

Originally Posted by cmgolfr212

From someone who used to own a modded 04 wrx with 300whp and suspension mods, The SS will win at the drag strip and also on a fairly large road course like Road Atlanta or VIR. Unless you have the stiffest coilovers and some pretty big sway bars, the wrx understeers big time going into corners. Also, the wrx's brakes suck. The STI's have brembos but I know the 09 wrxs dont and come with just 4 piston fronts and 2 piston rear calipers.

With my WRX i had COBB springs KYB struts and cusco swaybars and even though the WRX felt more nimble, no doubt the SS will take it on a larger road course around the corners. The straight aways will not be a match for a wrx. I hope this helps from someone who drove a modded wrx for 5 1/2 years.

Also, something to note the wrx has some terrible turbo lag and dont make anywhere near their peak HP curve till around 5600 RPM and the same goes for torque. The SS will pull harder down in the lower RPMs when compared to the WRX.

The interior is much better on the SS primarilly because when I turn my system up loud I dont hear any rattles. Those might have came with the loud exhaust over time but still, the interior is a POS. The only thing I really liked about my car is the performance on the track, street, mud and snow. Plus the GF likes the SS 200x more than the wrx!

Interesting comparison, not sure how relevant it is though since we are comparing the Camaro to the 09 WRX and not the 04.

[devasta]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

Interesting comparison, not sure how relevant it is though since we are comparing the Camaro to the 09 WRX and not the 04.

agreed.