GMs serious corp quality issues effects on camaro

[citabria7]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

And it's wrong of them. I don't think anyone here will argue that GM's customers deserve to be treated like dogshit.

Yep

[95birdible]

I was told on my 1st week production 2012 Vert that the top problems and holes were a result of me putting the top down wet and it was my fault. Fast forward from my August delivery to my February 12 buyback of said car. Who was right? Me. Inherent defect in the top.

[Brazensol]

The only thing of any real concern for me is the electric steering.

[McRat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Cobalt one of the Killer Cars?

I bought 2 of them. One for my oldest daughter, one for my mother.

Both my daughter and mother (RIP) had zero issues at all with the cars. None. My daughter put 140k miles on hers. My mother put 40k before she passed away.

Maybe the ignition switch is not a 100% defect?

My 02 Vette had an ignition switch recall, uh, maybe 10 years ago? Never had it done, never had a problem either. Since 1998, I've bought at least 15 GM vehicles, 6 trucks, 2 minivans, 2 Vettes, a Camaro, 2 Cobalts, 1 Volt, 1 CTS-V. None have had a problem with the ignition switch.

All but the Volt and CTS are key type ignitions.

While I do proper maintenance, I'm what you'd call an animal. I go through tires and brakes like most people go through oil filters. I just got back from beating the snot out of the Volt at an AutoX track. It impressed a LOT of people. Silent Death.

You'd think that if anyone would have problems with GM quality it would be me. But nothing out of the ordinary, and FAR better than the 3 Nissans I owned.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by Brazensol

The only thing of any real concern for me is the electric steering.

Electric assist has a better MTBF than belt driven units. All the car companies are switching to it. Kind of like electric radiator fans. And electric windows. And electric braking control. And electric engine starter motors.

[Angrybird 12]

Today my wife and I were out enjoying some top down cruising in the Camaro and what did we see, a late model (less than 5 year old) Toyota Tundra sitting on the side of the road with the hood up and the owner leaning against the side with his arms folded and a look of disgust on his face.... Another happy Toyota owner...

[Slickcas]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/automo...ll-statistics/


Not 100% up to date. But GM not doing to bad compared with everybody else.
People just watch the news too much and run around like chicken little.

GM build vehicles that are affordable to purchase. Seem to have quality the same or better than everything in the same price range( the last 10 years). And are extremely affordable to repair. GM has a very extensive durability test facility. Go ahead buy parts for the foreign cars even the ones built here in America. See what it'll cost ya.

I've worked on just about every make and model through the years. And most people wouldn't drive there car if they knew how It was built and what is actually holding it together lol.

[citabria7]

Originally Posted by 95birdible

Here is another one. GM extends the warranty on the 60K ZL1 due to a faulty supercharger, but will do nothing on convertible tops. Makes perfect sense.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...ts-v?fbfanpage

Whether GM takes care of you depends on the price of your car.

[citabria7]

Originally Posted by Slickcas

http://www.statisticbrain.com/automo...ll-statistics/


Not 100% up to date. But GM not doing to bad compared with everybody else.
People just watch the news too much and run around like chicken little.

GM build vehicles that are affordable to purchase. Seem to have quality the same or better than everything in the same price range( the last 10 years). And are extremely affordable to repair. GM has a very extensive durability test facility. Go ahead buy parts for the foreign cars even the ones built here in America. See what it'll cost ya.

I've worked on just about every make and model through the years. And most people wouldn't drive there car if they knew how It was built and what is actually holding it together lol.

What good is a durability test facility if, when problems are discovered, management says: so what?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by citabria7

Whether GM takes care of you depends on the price of your car.

Price has nothing to do with it. Are you so jaded that you think everything bad you hear about GM is true and nothing good is? If I told you that GM stood up and did me right on my top after the issues I had with the top installer (non GM) plus gave me an extended warranty on the top and other body components, would you believe it? Well they did. Most has to do with who you deal with, if you have an ahole as a customer service rep you will not be satisfied, but in my case mine has been very understanding and helpful.
Again I owned 4 of the ignition switch models and also have family members that have owned some of them with not one incident of accidental shutoff. And this I believe is probably the case in 99% of those cars.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by 95birdible

Here is another one. GM extends the warranty on the 60K ZL1 due to a faulty supercharger, but will do nothing on convertible tops. Makes perfect sense.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...ts-v?fbfanpage

You need to research more. The supercharger on the LSA engines was found to be an issue, then GM redesigned the supercharger.

While not required by law to do so, they put a 10 year, 120,000 mile warranty extension on them.

The bulletin covers ALL. Repeat ALL. Repeat ALL, LSA engines from 2009 to 2013. Engines produced in 2014 are not included. That is because the problem was fixed before any 2014 models were produced.

Nice way to misrepresent the issue! You should work for CNN or a law office.

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by Brazensol

The only thing of any real concern for me is the electric steering.

Oh no , you don't have to worry about that , nope
It's all taken care of
Just drive it , go around on vacations , see the country , take your family too
In ten years come back and tell us how it went !

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Price has nothing to do with it. Are you so jaded that you think everything bad you hear about GM is true and nothing good is? If I told you that GM stood up and did me right on my top after the issues I had with the top installer (non GM) plus gave me an extended warranty on the top and other body components, would you believe it? Well they did. Most has to do with who you deal with, if you have an ahole as a customer service rep you will not be satisfied, but in my case mine has been very understanding and helpful.
Again I owned 4 of the ignition switch models and also have family members that have owned some of them with not one incident of accidental shutoff. And this I believe is probably the case in 99% of those cars.

Fair enough , but if one off those ( 1% ) was a member off your family , or yourself , would it change your opinion on the case on hand ?

If you answer , don't dance around ! Please .

After all , it's just 1% , right ?

On the issue you had on your Camaro , that's a comple different case
The GM guy that authorized your work done by an outside service shop , had approval from above , I'm with you that he could just have said no , but it's like plying golf just to make deals
You came up good on that one , just as fast you could had gone bad
Yes , if one has a faul mouth , they play defense
But the case on hand HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. , those JACKELS KNEW ABOUT IT , and did what , that's right , NOTHING.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Oh no , you don't have to worry about that , nope
It's all taken care of
Just drive it , go around on vacations , see the country , take your family too
In ten years come back and tell us how it went !

Have you heard of any power steering pump issues with any brand of car?

Just curious. Most are electric now.

I busted the belt driven PS on a 2000 SS Camaro racing it. I kept racing AFTER it broke, and won my class.

Today I seriously abused the PS unit on a Chevy Volt. It's electric. No problem.

Cliff Notes: Do you pee standing up?