GMs serious corp quality issues effects on camaro

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by Slickcas

http://www.statisticbrain.com/automo...ll-statistics/


Not 100% up to date. But GM not doing to bad compared with everybody else.
People just watch the news too much and run around like chicken little.

GM build vehicles that are affordable to purchase. Seem to have quality the same or better than everything in the same price range( the last 10 years). And are extremely affordable to repair. GM has a very extensive durability test facility. Go ahead buy parts for the foreign cars even the ones built here in America. See what it'll cost ya.

I've worked on just about every make and model through the years. And most people wouldn't drive there car if they knew how It was built and what is actually holding it together lol.

ever heard of the saying there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. without knowing the nature of the recalls, that's meaningless.

again, as much as I love my camaro, all I have to do is look at it and see the lower build quality in just how the panels fit together. and if that's not enough, just open a door and look at all the cheap plastic. especially the hand brake, that you can actually squeeze and feel the metal bar underneath the cheap plastic sleeve. not that it's a big deal, but they still aren't quite there.

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Price has nothing to do with it. Are you so jaded that you think everything bad you hear about GM is true and nothing good is? If I told you that GM stood up and did me right on my top after the issues I had with the top installer (non GM) plus gave me an extended warranty on the top and other body components, would you believe it? Well they did. Most has to do with who you deal with, if you have an ahole as a customer service rep you will not be satisfied, but in my case mine has been very understanding and helpful.
Again I owned 4 of the ignition switch models and also have family members that have owned some of them with not one incident of accidental shutoff. And this I believe is probably the case in 99% of those cars.

Then explain covering the exact issue on high priced models, but not on the HHR or Solstice. Same admitted problem from same supplier. Escalades and Sierras....extended warranty. HHR and Solstice... Go suck it . When their own dealers state it in addition to the obvious, I believe it.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Fair enough , but if one off those ( 1% ) was a member off your family , or yourself , would it change your opinion on the case on hand ?

If you answer , don't dance around ! Please .

After all , it's just 1% , right ?

Actually, I did the math on the ignition switch.

It is about 0.00001:1, not 1%. Check my math.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by McRat

Electric assist has a better MTBF than belt driven units. All the car companies are switching to it. Kind of like electric radiator fans. And electric windows. And electric braking control. And electric engine starter motors.

You have to admit, electric windows, fans, and starter motors are poor analogies. Those are not system that, when they fail, render the car dangerous.

And anyway, the power steering in my '70 Buick is belt driven. Remove the belt. Still works. Remove the battery. Still works. That Saginaw recirculating ball was installed in November of 1969. And 300,000 miles and 45 years later...it still works.

What happens to my steering in my '12 Camaro if I remove the battery?

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Oh no , you don't have to worry about that , nope
It's all taken care of
Just drive it , go around on vacations , see the country , take your family too
In ten years come back and tell us how it went !

Damn, that's a long vacation

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

You have to admit, electric windows, fans, and starter motors are poor analogies. Those are not system that, when they fail, render the car dangerous.

And anyway, the power steering in my '70 Buick is belt driven. Remove the belt. Still works. Remove the battery. Still works. That Saginaw recirculating ball was installed in November of 1969. And 300,000 miles and 45 years later...it still works.

What happens to my steering in my '12 Camaro if I remove the battery?

CLOSE your eyes , BOOOOOOM

[95birdible]

Originally Posted by McRat

You need to research more. The supercharger on the LSA engines was found to be an issue, then GM redesigned the supercharger.

While not required by law to do so, they put a 10 year, 120,000 mile warranty extension on them.

The bulletin covers ALL. Repeat ALL. Repeat ALL, LSA engines from 2009 to 2013. Engines produced in 2014 are not included. That is because the problem was fixed before any 2014 models were produced.

Nice way to misrepresent the issue! You should work for CNN or a law office.

So if GM changed the top mechanism in 2014 should they then not extend the warranty on the 2011-2013 convertibles? By your logic, they should.

[squat]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Then explain covering the exact issue on high priced models, but not on the HHR or Solstice. Same admitted problem from same supplier. Escalades and Sierras....extended warranty. HHR and Solstice... Go suck it . When their own dealers state it in addition to the obvious, I believe it.

There are a ton of possible reasons for GM not covering one model vs another with the same issue.

And no dealer, for any car manufacturer, knows anything about what's goes on at the manufacturer. They sure as shit don't know why the manufacturer dies what it does.

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by McRat

Actually, I did the math on the ignition switch.

It is about 0.00001:1, not 1%. Check my math.

Just got the numbers from Angrybird12

But you can use it on your %s

That's not the point thou .

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Damn, that's a long vacation

That just happen in Cybervacations !

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Fair enough , but if one off those ( 1% ) was a member off your family , or yourself , would it change your opinion on the case on hand ?

If you answer , don't dance around ! Please .

After all , it's just 1% , right ?

On the issue you had on your Camaro , that's a comple different case
The GM guy that authorized your work done by an outside service shop , had approval from above , I'm with you that he could just have said no , but it's like plying golf just to make deals
You came up good on that one , just as fast you could had gone bad
Yes , if one has a faul mouth , they play defense
But the case on hand HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. , those JACKELS KNEW ABOUT IT , and did what , that's right , NOTHING.

OK, I cannot answer that because nothing has ever happened to anyone in my family even close to that.
I asked once before and nobody answered, what more do you want them to do above what they are doing now? The past is past and all they can do now is try to fix the problem and take care of those hurt by it. You are focusing on the wrong thing, it's what they do here forward that matters now.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

You have to admit, electric windows, fans, and starter motors are poor analogies. Those are not system that, when they fail, render the car dangerous.

And anyway, the power steering in my '70 Buick is belt driven. Remove the belt. Still works. Remove the battery. Still works. That Saginaw recirculating ball was installed in November of 1969. And 300,000 miles and 45 years later...it still works.

What happens to my steering in my '12 Camaro if I remove the battery?

Its not electric steering, its electric power assist, it will act just like normal power steering should the engine quit or you throw a belt, you will still have steering although it will be harder to steer.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Just got the numbers from Angrybird12

But you can use it on your %s

That's not the point thou .

The 99% was not literal just figuratively speaking.

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

OK, I cannot answer that because nothing has ever happened to anyone in my family even close to that.
I asked once before and nobody answered, what more do you want them to do above what they are doing now? The past is past and all they can do now is try to fix the problem and take care of those hurt by it. You are focusing on the wrong thing, it's what they do here forward that matters now.

I agree with you on your point , about what to do from now on .
But one can't just ignore the issues from the past , or one is condemned to repeat those mistakes .
And again it's my only point on this all enchilada .

Fix the mistakes done before , and most important is , to make sure that it won't happen again , by really doing something about it

Not just PR everyone and move on like nothing happen

If it's what is going to happen , we are so guilty of paying for those big a$$ law firms lawyers and their school loans , and I don't like to have to do that one bit