Horsepower Wars - ZL1 now in 3rd Place

[Al C.]

Call me crazy but that much hp for the price seems a little low. Its must be lacking somewhere. Suspension maybe? not hating.... Regardless, great car though!

[AZ-ZL1]

Bet the Track Pack is an option, 4-$5K.

I would like to see the times of a ZL1 & GT500 at that track. Believe they were in Kent, Washington, <500 ft elevation and relatively cool.

Time differential on their "Marketing Charts" would likely be much less, not that I wouldn't promote a time based on an advantageous location also.

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I'm not too sure the average person making 40k can drive one of these....

Most people have families, Responsibilities, housing etc...and a 90 month loan at 5%...are you high?

The GT and SS are the "blue collar" cars...always have been...these top end models costing significantly more is nothing new.

I'm incredibly fortunate to be able to own one (even it's cheap at 56 compared to some optioned out models) because I finished school with super low debt, landed a great job, and live somewhere I can own a nice home for 360 dollars a month. Joe Dad with 2 kids, a house, and 40k a year isn't swinging a 60k dollar toy.

i never said it was financially responsible
Never said avg joe had a family either!

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by MZ1

You mean just like the GM service tech's at the Chevy dealer that took out a lower HP ZL1 (compared to the Hellcat) and totaled it in seconds into a telephone pole no less.

link: http://jalopnik.com/dealership-total...eal-1498804012

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We had no idea over here.

[Sven59]

Anyone heard what the top speed is? Isn't that what fastest means?

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by RedCamaroZL1

As far as average Joe affording cars these days, I think the prices are out of reach. Anything longer than a 60 month loan is crazy in my opinion. If you can't pay it off in 5 years, it's out of your price range. You're upside down the entire loan and would be up a creek if life forced you to sell it early in an emergency.

But I see this shit all the time.

Same thing with houses. People dont understand you can "loan" upwards of 40% of your gross salary.

Make 40k a year? You can make Thats $1330/mo in total loan payments.
Granted 2 kids and a hefty mortgage - this car is probably out of reach unless there is a significant downpayment.

But yes you can get loan through (my bank atleast) 90 months at 5%

Is it finacially responsible - hell no. Can you do it? if the numbers work.

A 20 year old CNC operator at my work drives a '13 392. he lives at home. He already said hes buying a hellcat next year if he can afford it.

Priorities!

I see an awful lot of Raptors on a daily basis. ALmost as many as regular F150s. Same situation IMO

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

LOL. Who is running 11.2's in a ZL1? GT500's are running mid 11's stock and they have 100 more horsepower and weigh hundreds of pounds less. I'm not interested in what some outlier ran once in some ridiculous negative DA. A true stock time for a ZL1 is ~12.0. For 600 horsepower stock - and we all know GM underrates their motors - that's pretty sad. A 4th gen would be in the 10's.

Stock SS's have 80 horsepower more than 4th gens and they're cutting the same times in the quarter mile. Yes, these aren't straight line cars, but with the power they have to be averaging mid 13's is embarrassing. More engineering should've been done to keep weight down. There is so much unnecessary weight in the wheels, seats, etc. These cars could be 150 lbs lighter with no compromise.

And a 4th generation wouldn't pass today's safety tests and have all the bells and whistles that make the ZL1 a complete car.

I reserve judgement on the Hellcat. I think the GT500 is an awesome machine. Either way, my ZL1 ran one of the 50 fastest times on the Nurburgring in history. Let's see either the Hellcat or Shelby do that. When they do (and I mean officially verified by the track, not some amateur SVT tape) I'll be impressed.

This is why the Europeans think we are crazy when it comes to cars. Straight line performance is only one variable. A true ultimate performance car, is judged by all variables, not just drag racing. Nothing tests all the variables better than a racetrack, especially the "Green Hell" in Germany. So far, nothing in the ZL1's class has bettered it.

[Busabob]

Did someone say 90 month CAR loan!! Yikes!!

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Anyone heard what the top speed is? Isn't that what fastest means?

Rumor is 202

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Busabob

Did someone say 90 month CAR loan!! Yikes!!

Yes, the day you pay it off, it is delivered to the junk yard!

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by Busabob

Did someone say 90 month CAR loan!! Yikes!!

Sadly yes.

[Busabob]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Yes, the day you pay it off, it is delivered to the junk yard!

Haha, those people should be looking a used SS....

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by Alain

Plus the ZL1 is cheaper than the GT500. I'm sure that has a lot to do with the ZL1 sales being better.

For a basic stock car the Shelby is actually cheaper. The problem is that GM gave us a lot more standard than Ford did. This is due to the fact that the ZL1 is done 100% in-house at Chevy, while the GT500 involves and outside contractor (Shelby) doing a lot of the work.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Col. Brain

Rumor is 202

So was the GT500 and that claim has been questionable!