GT350 to MSRP at $47,870; R at $61,370

[fradaj]

Autoblog quoted a $47,870 base price. GT350R $61,370.



http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/26/f...-pricing-leak/

[WHAMMO]

I was about to go to Ford dealer tomorrow and ask for a quote because this is the deal of the century!!! But then I see the canadian base price is 62K$ WTF!!??? It went from the best deal to the worst deal, Z28 style.

Hellcat is 59K us and 63K cad. GT350 49K us and 62K cad?? Someone is on crack big time.

Give me a damn Stingray or a Hellcat then.

If the dollar value goes up next year Ill buy it in NY. ****k me.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Coming from a guy that rides the bus I'm sure $60k pony cars seem unattainable. Show me a better off the shelf track car in a 2+2 for less.

You are right folks really wanted a 75k Camaro. I guess the same way they have decided folks want a 85K CTS-V. Chevy made the decision to screw the average buyer in an attempt to win praise from editors. When is the next 20% or more discount coming to help move these "off the shelf track cars" out of the dealers showrooms.

Funny how things work out, Dodge can't build enough Hellcats even when dealers are tacking on outrageous mark ups, and Chevy can't give away their track star even with deep discounts. My guess is Ford will have Dodge's problem with their GT350 and not Chevy's.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You are right folks really wanted a 75k Camaro. I guess the same way they have decided folks want a 85K CTS-V. Chevy made the decision to screw the average buyer in an attempt to win praise from editors. When is the next 20% or more discount coming to help move these "off the shelf track cars" out of the dealers showrooms.

Funny how things work out, Dodge can't build enough Hellcats even when dealers are tacking on outrageous mark ups, and Chevy can't give away their track star even with deep discounts. My guess is Ford will have Dodge's problem with their GT350 and not Chevy's.

Oh the melodrama! GM isn't "screwing" you. You are NOT the target audience for high-performance track cars or world class luxury sport sedans. The Z/28 is a LIMITED production car. The SS sedan is a LIMITED import car. They are priced according to what enthusiasts are willing to pay.

You whine about being too expensive then you whine about GM offering discounts on outgoing models? ($2,000 is NOT 20% by the way)

The Hellcat doesn't compete with the GT350 or Z/28, but your desperate attempts to mention it in every thread is amusing. Did you land a social media job with Fiat?

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Show me a better off the shelf track car in a 2+2 for less.

Originally Posted by newmoon

You are right folks really wanted a 75k Camaro. I guess the same way they have decided folks want a 85K CTS-V. Chevy made the decision to screw the average buyer in an attempt to win praise from editors. When is the next 20% or more discount coming to help move these "off the shelf track cars" out of the dealers showrooms.

Funny how things work out, Dodge can't build enough Hellcats even when dealers are tacking on outrageous mark ups, and Chevy can't give away their track star even with deep discounts. My guess is Ford will have Dodge's problem with their GT350 and not Chevy's.

Newmoon, good deflection.

In reading your posts from other threads, it's obvious how you feel about the Z/28 based off your opinion of the car which is based off of what you've read, so it's no reason to discuss that here.

Sales of the car speak for itself, which is due to price, not it's performance based off what it was designed to do.

Can you answer MEDISIN's question above? I add, show me a current car in production that's better off the shelf (stock production) track car in a 2+2 for less.

The GT350 will possibly be a great if not a little better contender but it's not in production yet and hasn't been thoroughly tested by pro's like the Z/28. So, that car shouldn't be included in your answer. May I also add that a GT350R w/electronics package is over 66.5K MSRP which is very close to what Z/28's are selling for because many Z's have discounts.

As a matter of reference only: in several cases where many of us purchased during the 20% year end event, we were able to purchase Z/28's at or near the cost of an optioned out GT350 w/o the R package. Again, the 20% event was for all of Chevy's oldest inventory, not just Camaro's or specifically, Z/28.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The Hellcat doesn't compete with the GT350 or Z/28, but your desperate attempts to mention it in every thread is amusing.

Completely agree, the HC isn't designed to compete with either. The Hellcat is more in line with the GT500 or ZL1.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Newmoon, good deflection.

In reading your posts from other threads, it's obvious how you feel about the Z/28 based off your opinion of the car which is based off of what you've read, so it's no reason to discuss that here.

Sales of the car speak for itself, which is due to price, not it's performance based off what it was designed to do.

Can you answer MEDISIN's question above? I add, show me a current car in production that's better off the shelf (stock production) track car in a 2+2 for less.

The GT350 will possibly be a great if not a little better contender but it's not in production yet and hasn't been thoroughly tested by pro's like the Z/28. So, that car shouldn't be included in your answer. May I also add that a GT350R w/electronics package is over 66.5K MSRP which is very close to what Z/28's are selling for because many Z's have discounts.

As a matter of reference only: in several cases where many of us purchased during the 20% year end event, we were able to purchase Z/28's at or near the cost of an optioned out GT350 w/o the R package. Again, the 20% event was for all of Chevy's oldest inventory, not just Camaro's or specifically, Z/28.

So with all the Z/28 inventory sitting on the dealer lots not moving you still consider the Z/28 a win for Chevy. If this car is so great why are they not selling? You would have thought that the supposed target buyers like GTR, Porsche, BMW, etc, owners would be selling their cars to buy this 75k bargain Z/28? Problem is they did not, while they may have been impressed with the track numbers they didn't feel the car was worth 75k, because after all it was still a Camaro. The Camaro loyalist couldn't afford the price tag.

Chevy made a mistake with the Z/28 going all out track only focus. They would have been much better served to have offered something similar to this GT350, a car within the financial reach that you could option up depending on your budget. Instead they wanted the editor headlines, which while entertaining to read very few would lay down the dollars to buy.

To answer the question, no I can't think of another domestic car other than the Viper, and Vette that can compete with the Z/28 on the track.

[Stingray]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So with all the Z/28 inventory sitting on the dealer lots not moving you still consider the Z/28 a win for Chevy. If this car is so great why are they not selling? You would have thought that the supposed target buyers like GTR, Porsche, BMW, etc, owners would be selling their cars to buy this 75k bargain Z/28? Problem is they did not, while they may have been impressed with the track numbers they didn't feel the car was worth 75k, because after all it was still a Camaro. The Camaro loyalist couldn't afford the price tag.

Chevy made a mistake with the Z/28 going all out track only focus. They would have been much better served to have offered something similar to this GT350, a car within the financial reach that you could option up depending on your budget. Instead they wanted the editor headlines, which while entertaining to read very few would lay down the dollars to buy.

To answer the question, no I can't think of another domestic car other than the Viper, and Vette that can compete with the Z/28 on the track.

Makes sense... I won't refute that although I do see debates on both sides.

IMO, the Z/28 isn't a failure in terms of performance... but in terms of sales and features/amenities for its pricepoint, then it falls behind.

I just think it was just overpriced from the getgo. It's clearly a one-hit wonder.... albeit an expensive one.

Originally Posted by 90503

Here's a fun little graphic for the different "versions" of the 350.

I'd imagine the second "R" on the last one is merely a typo.

(Thanks to crysalis_01)




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And to go back on topic... this comparison table above show the GT350's bang-for-the-buck value and versatility... which GM missed out on from a marketing standpoint with the Z/28, IMO.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Stingray

Makes sense... I won't refute that although I do see debates on both sides.

IMO, the Z/28 isn't a failure in terms of performance... but in terms of sales and features/amenities for its pricepoint, then it falls behind.

I just think it was just overpriced from the getgo. It's clearly a one-hit wonder.... albeit an expensive one.

Not disagreeing, but in the Z/28s defense, it was the only model that told buyers to get something else (a ZL-1, or a 1LE), if this track focus of the Z/28 wasn't your cup of tea. Perhaps Chevy lost sales for being too honest about how other makes in the line up would be better for daily driving...There was no need to offer different option levels of the Z/28.

My guess is that the GT350R in the bare-bones track form will probably sell only about as well as the Z/28 for true track enthusiasts....The other optioned models will probably sell better...

[woodside783]

I think if gm dose this again i hope they make a z/28 with options like the gt350.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So with all the Z/28 inventory sitting on the dealer lots not moving you still consider the Z/28 a win for Chevy. If this car is so great why are they not selling?

You would have thought that the supposed target buyers like GTR, Porsche, BMW, etc, owners would be selling their cars to buy this 75k bargain Z/28? Problem is they did not, while they may have been impressed with the track numbers they didn't feel the car was worth 75k, because after all it was still a Camaro. The Camaro loyalist couldn't afford the price tag.

Chevy made a mistake with the Z/28 going all out track only focus. They would have been much better served to have offered something similar to this GT350, a car within the financial reach that you could option up depending on your budget. Instead they wanted the editor headlines, which while entertaining to read very few would lay down the dollars to buy.

To answer the question, no I can't think of another domestic car other than the Viper, and Vette that can compete with the Z/28 on the track.

Note:

Let me clarify that I'm not attempting to defend or criticize Chevy's pricing of the Z/28. That is not the purpose of my response.

Back to the topic:

Yes, I do because I don't base whether a car is a winner or loser from the amount of sales but rather what it brings to the table for my usage and personal preference. Now, if I was dealer, sales would be more important.

If win equals high sales to you only, no, the Z/28 hasn't done well. All of us agree on that. It's been argued from the very beginning that it was priced out of it normal customer base. Nothing new there. Al O. has been quoted saying numerous times that the Z/28 wouldn't appeal to most and limited sales are expected.

The real problem is that Chevy over estimated the limited demand for such a hard core car at that price range and built too many. This was the only major mistake that Chevy made IMO. They should've built no more than 500 per year for 2014 & 2015. That's it. 2015 production numbers should've been based off of 2014 sales. Low 2014 sales should've led to lower 2015 production numbers of the Z/28. I believe Chevy will not make this mistake in the future.

I'm sure Ford will not make this mistake with the GT350R. I'm sure they've observed the market also so now they know that such an extreme car has limited appeal.

Keep it mind it was stated from the very beginning that most would not want the Z/28 and it was never intended on being a sales phenomenon. But rather the opposite. It was meant to be one of the halo cars for the performance brand of Chevy. Has it not done that??

The Z/28 was made to compete with the Porsche 911, GTR, BMW & etc. on the track. Has it not done that??

By the way, the sticker of Z06 Vette, and Viper both cost more that the Z/28. So, is there anything else you can mention? If not, the Z/28 is the least expensive.

Food for thought.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/1403_the...st_enough.html

Based of what the Z brings to the table, equipment and performance wise..........

[Stingray]

^ I won't disagree with many of your points... and the Z/28 is still a badazz ride but specifically for track purposes. In regards to deciding between the Z06 and the Z/28, for me personally it was quite easy... a $75k'ish Z/28 or a $80k Z06 for street and track use..... needless to say, I chose the latter.

Originally Posted by woodside783

I think if gm dose this again i hope they make a z/28 with options like the gt350.

That's exactly one of my focal points.

BTW, my GT350 order is in... an Avalanche Gray (DR + 900A non-R) with the Track Package (60T) and Painted Black Roof (94B) options.
I'll add an over-the-top stripe kit w/ a different trim color later on since Ford's current stripe offering options aren't to my liking...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

No way that FPC engine will outrun the LS7, in a straight line. No way.

How do you figure? It's going to have a decent horsepower advantage and any torque deficit can be made up with gearing and the much higher redline.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by woodside783

I think if gm dose this again i hope they make a z/28 with options like the gt350.

THIS ^

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Note:

The real problem is that Chevy over estimated the limited demand for such a hard core car at that price range and built too many. This was the only major mistake that Chevy made IMO. They should've built no more than 500 per year for 2014 & 2015. That's it. 2015 production numbers should've been based off of 2014 sales. Low 2014 sales should've led to lower 2015 production numbers of the Z/28. I believe Chevy will not make this mistake in the future.
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Like woodside said, I believe Chevy would do it similar to the way Ford is doing the GT350. Because yes you can option a GT350R close to Z/28 MSRP- it also has way more content in it when loaded. Or you can strip it down and have the pure track car like GM did. Had they had two versions of it like Ford does with the GT350 I would bet they would have sold instantly because 427 Camaro just sounds awesome.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

How do you figure? It's going to have a decent horsepower advantage and any torque deficit can be made up with gearing and the much higher redline.

Agreed, from everything I have read this thing is going to scream on the top end