Speed Engineering Headers

[Black_SS10]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Physical build qualities between budget and expensive headers is what again.....dont bother with the stainless quality is different either. Thats bs. Fitment seems to be fine on the budget headers as well so thats out. Welds...havnt read a single thread about welds breaking on a 5th gen camaro maybe..but i havn"t read it. Performance? Headers seem to make power right a cross the board....again I havnt read any posts about rwhp being low for certain headers. So that brings me back to my original question. ....somebody tell me the difference.

Where did the negativity come from?

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by WVracer

I'll tell you the difference. Its called quality. Let me ask you something, why do you have a camaro? You could have easily took that money and bought the powertrain of a camaro and put it in a beat clunker, but you didn't. It would have had the powertrain reliablility of the camaro and would have put down the same power but it just wouldn't have looked as good. Nor would it have that awe factor of being a brand new factory build car.

There is your difference. Performance isn't everything, if I was hiring someone I wouldn't just look at how well they did the job but also how they hold themselves. By that I mean, his or her manners, how they dress, their hygiene, etc.

The cheaper headers have excellent reviews all over Camaro 5. They perform well....fit just fine and seem to have good durability. Based on your post they do everything somebody you hire would do. Still havnt seen anything that sways me away from the cheaper headers over the more expensive ones. And based by the popularity of the cheaper brands im not alone.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by Black_SS10

Where did the negativity come from?

Fighting past my last of 6 in a row midnight shifts. No help for me for another 4 hours.

[2010reddevil]

I agree with Ron. There's no way in hell that I'm gonna pay $1200 for a set of bent and welded tubes that perform, key word there PERFORM pretty much identically to a set of 350 dollar headers. That one tube being off center a bit and the spike being misaligned is NOT worth another $850, plus the extra added cost of coating to boot. I'd much rather be tuned, full exhaust and PTB for the same money. Key word is it isn't worth it to ME. To each their own, but the fact that I trapped 115 in the quarter with these cheapo headers and a generic ass canned tuned speaks volumes for how well budget parts CAN work for the avg joe. Or if I were an auto car, that would be a stall converter. I'm all for American parts and labor, but not at an unreasonable expense. Why do you think cars like the Chevy SS sedan cost so damn much? Because some chumps in a factory doing the same menial job day in and day out are getting paid like 22-25 an hr. That cost has to go somewhere. I used to run cnc machines making $500-750k parts that were used all over the world and I barely made 22/hr after nearly 4.5yrs. Same goes for headers, once the initial design and R&D has been done, shouldn't cost more than $600 in parts/labor for them.

[camrytt]

Looks like I might be able to get these. I'm saving for a wedding, and my tax return is looking like I'll have enough for that + about 1k for my car! There's an exhaust shop that fabs hfcs here for 380 installed, too. Wooooooooo

[pyroguy]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Physical build qualities between budget and expensive headers is what again.....dont bother with the stainless quality is different either. Thats bs. Fitment seems to be fine on the budget headers as well so thats out. Welds...havnt read a single thread about welds breaking on a 5th gen camaro maybe..but i havn"t read it. Performance? Headers seem to make power right a cross the board....again I havnt read any posts about rwhp being low for certain headers. So that brings me back to my original question. ....somebody tell me the difference.

Warranty, support, buying extra pieces from other outlets to make them work without exhaust leaks or with cats. We could debate the weld issue from not until the end of time, but the more I see the welds from Speed Engineering the more I think they look like mine, crap. Do they hold up, for now. Will they hold up long term, that is yet to be determined. These headers really hadn't made much of an impact until the last year or so.

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

I agree with Ron. There's no way in hell that I'm gonna pay $1200 for a set of bent and welded tubes that perform, key word there PERFORM pretty much identically to a set of 350 dollar headers. That one tube being off center a bit and the spike being misaligned is NOT worth another $850, plus the extra added cost of coating to boot. I'd much rather be tuned, full exhaust and PTB for the same money. Key word is it isn't worth it to ME. To each their own, but the fact that I trapped 115 in the quarter with these cheapo headers and a generic ass canned tuned speaks volumes for how well budget parts CAN work for the avg joe. Or if I were an auto car, that would be a stall converter. I'm all for American parts and labor, but not at an unreasonable expense. Why do you think cars like the Chevy SS sedan cost so damn much? Because some chumps in a factory doing the same menial job day in and day out are getting paid like 22-25 an hr. That cost has to go somewhere. I used to run cnc machines making $500-750k parts that were used all over the world and I barely made 22/hr after nearly 4.5yrs. Same goes for headers, once the initial design and R&D has been done, shouldn't cost more than $600 in parts/labor for them.

R&D is what it's all about. Anybody can rip off a better design, but the real quality comes from those that did it first. Sure it costs about the same to bend tubes, as long as you're bending with the same tube bender. However, I can't say I blame a guy for trying to sell a header for a high value price or a guy for trying to make a cheap alternative. Capitalism at its finest! BTW, I got ceramic coating for free. If you search pretty easily you'll find where you can get it done for free when you purchase your headers with the warranty to match the header warranty. Also, I don't know if they changed production from last year to this, but the Chevy SS has historically been made in Australia, not the US.

[Gunmetal Speedster]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

The cheaper headers have excellent reviews all over Camaro 5. They perform well....fit just fine and seem to have good durability. Based on your post they do everything somebody you hire would do. Still havnt seen anything that sways me away from the cheaper headers over the more expensive ones. And based by the popularity of the cheaper brands im not alone.

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

I agree with Ron. There's no way in hell that I'm gonna pay $1200 for a set of bent and welded tubes that perform, key word there PERFORM pretty much identically to a set of 350 dollar headers. That one tube being off center a bit and the spike being misaligned is NOT worth another $850, plus the extra added cost of coating to boot. I'd much rather be tuned, full exhaust and PTB for the same money. Key word is it isn't worth it to ME. To each their own, but the fact that I trapped 115 in the quarter with these cheapo headers and a generic ass canned tuned speaks volumes for how well budget parts CAN work for the avg joe. Or if I were an auto car, that would be a stall converter. I'm all for American parts and labor, but not at an unreasonable expense. Why do you think cars like the Chevy SS sedan cost so damn much? Because some chumps in a factory doing the same menial job day in and day out are getting paid like 22-25 an hr. That cost has to go somewhere. I used to run cnc machines making $500-750k parts that were used all over the world and I barely made 22/hr after nearly 4.5yrs. Same goes for headers, once the initial design and R&D has been done, shouldn't cost more than $600 in parts/labor for them.

I have to agree with these two. While I can see why someone would opt to go with a company like Kooks or ARH, I could never personally justify paying more than TSP.

[NC_SS]

Mine fit nicely, quality is plenty acceptable for $350, and they sound great.

I haven't had any leaking issues from headers bolting up to the heads, but down at the connectors they're not the best fit in comparison to the OEM cats. Best thing to do if you think it's leaking is just go get some JB weld especially if you don't plan on swapping them anytime soon lol

I haven't had any issues and I'm 10K miles in

[NC_SS]

Also doesn't stainless power sell cats that will bolt up to these headers? Sure looks like it when you search around on their website.

I think they're like $180 a pop or something like that.

[RupertPupkin]

I just installed these yesterday... No issues. Fit was great, quality was great.. OH and got them for $200, so yeah...I cant complain.

[8balldeluxe]

Great headers, no fitment issues, no sense to pay a grand more for the same results.

[camrytt]

Mine are coming in on Thursday, I'll be at the dyno within a month

[ozzy1le]

I got a set coming, will be here Monday.

[MarioSS]

Superb fitment, had zero issues with the install. Only thing i did was ordered different clamps for the connecting pipes, and ordered OEM manifold gasket I love it!

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