Stock 2010 GT500 vs. Magnuson 2SS

[blackedout010]

Originally Posted by Camarofan123

The CAI's actually added around 60 HP on the 07-09's. I saw that close to 490 number on a mustang website I'm on.

its not on svtperformance what site?

[Camarofan123]

bradbarnett.net but I don't remember where it was, I'm trying to find it right now.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Camarofan123

Guys, just to let you know, a stock 2010 GT500 dynoed at about 490rwhp, which equates to about 575 Crank HP, so they are underrated by 30-40 HP.

A stock SS Camaro also dyno'd at 384. If we assume 15% losses like you just did, then it made 452 hp at the crank, so it must be under rated by 26 hp ... But that is 1 run on 1 car. Typical seems to be in the area of 360-365 to the wheels right now. It is not a universal law that every car must loose 15% through its driveline, that is a guideline only. Better is a 10-15% zone, which would have put that Mustang at ... 544 hp. On top of that, was that run corrected to the SAE standards or was it just a readout from the graph?

[CamaroSpike23]

I havent read thru the whole thread, I will tomorrow and post comments accordingly.

I only have one question for Garagelogic at this time.

Who's driving each car?

[pharmd]

2007-2009 GT500
They dyno'd the car after each round of mods...
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=91217

The 2010 should put down more power than this FWIW.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by pharmd

2007-2009 GT500
They dyno'd the car after each round of mods...
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=91217

The 2010 should put down more power than this FWIW.

Good find. The 2010 GT500 is basically a 09KR...so the same things applied should net even greater power.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Camarofan123

Guys, just to let you know, a stock 2010 GT500 dynoed at about 490rwhp, which equates to about 575 Crank HP, so they are underrated by 30-40 HP.

They are not underrated either. They are SAE Certified as well as the LS3. They make 540 hp.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

A n/a 5.4 4V engine with a compression ratio the same as the LS3 would likely make about 385HP/385TQ, so I'd say the LS3-powered Camaro would edge the GT500. There is no substitute for cubic inches.

the NA 5.4 4v makes ~420 hp in Australia.

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the NA 5.4 4v makes ~420 hp in Australia.

Which brings up another point...what happens next year when the decently light weight Mustang GT rolls out with 400 NA hp....you see the #'s with 315hp, it will be a high 12's car with 400hp...



Get in line and buy your TVS now!

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by pharmd

Which brings up another point...what happens next year when the decently light weight Mustang GT rolls out with 400 NA hp....you see the #'s with 315hp, it will be a high 12's car with 400hp...



Get in line and buy your TVS now!

Wouldnt the Mustang have to gain weight if they are putting a more powerful engine in the car? I know rumor says that the engine will way about the same as the current one but doesnt the rest of the car need to handle the power as well? plus idk if its rumor or not but mustangs still are not 2012 safety compliant

[edbrick]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Wouldnt the Mustang have to gain weight if they are putting a more powerful engine in the car? I know rumor says that the engine will way about the same as the current one but doesnt the rest of the car need to handle the power as well? plus idk if its rumor or not but mustangs still are not 2012 safety compliant

Thats why these cars weigh so much now too much saftey crap. In a few more years a Camaro will weigh more than my Jeep.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Wouldnt the Mustang have to gain weight if they are putting a more powerful engine in the car? I know rumor says that the engine will way about the same as the current one but doesnt the rest of the car need to handle the power as well? plus idk if its rumor or not but mustangs still are not 2012 safety compliant

not really. The gain would be between 20-50 lbs. and The Coyote engine is supposed to weigh less than the current modular.

and they don't have to be 2012 compliant until the '13 models, which is said to be a new platform.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Okay, I know this particular scenario is going to get played out at some point, so I thought I would be preemptive and offer this comparison between a 2010 2SS RS Camaro with the TVS blower kit installed and a stock 2010 GT500. Please feel free to comment or correct me if I have made an incorrect assumption in the comparison.

First, let me spell out what I am comparing to be sure there are no misunderstandings about what is being represented.

1) I am basing the comparison between a 2010 GT500 with a MRSP of $49,000 (base MSRP of $48,475[including destination and gas guzzler tax] + $525 HID headlight option) to a 2SS manual Camaro with the following options (RS package, ground effects package, IO interior package and hood strip kit) that would make it comparable to what you get with a base 2010 GT500. In this configuration, the Camaro would MSRP around $38,660.

2) The difference in price between the two cars, as optioned, would be $10,340.


As delivered, the GT500 would be 100% stock from the factory featuring 540HP and 510TQ with a full factory warranty and a driveline engineered to support the power levels it is making. It’s curb weight would be ~3925lbs.

Now, let’s assume that we wanted to up the ante on the performance level of the Camaro with the addition of the new Magnuson TVS 2300 blower kit. This kit MSRP’s at $7,400 complete, and it is estimated that it would cost an additional $700 or so to have it professionally installed. (Yes, you could save money by doing it yourself, but then if something goes wrong, you’re screwed.) This brings the total cost for the 2SS to $46,760 and should get you in the neighborhood of 565HP and 550TQ by all credible estimates.

In this configuration, the Camaro will have, in all likelihood, voided its factory power train warranty, will be making much more power than the driveline was engineered to handle and would have increased its curb weight by at least 100lbs, bringing its total curb weight to around 3960lbs.

So, in the end, you would have a modified Camaro making more power (565hp/550TQ) than a stock GT500 (540hp/510tq) but with a greater curb weight, no factory warranty, a drive train that is not engineered for the power its making and a price tag that is within $2,240 of what you would have paid for a 2010 GT500 with a full factory warranty and tons of room to grow in power with the stock drive train should you ever elect to forego the factory warranty.

And that is not even taking into account the fact that if/when you go to sell the GT500, it’s residual value will be based on a GT500 not a Mustang GT whereas the Magnuson-fortified Camaro will have the same resale value as its normal 2SS brethren despite having over $8,100 in additional parts and labor in it.

Hmmmm….I’m still in the corner of the GT500 in terms of what you are getting for your $$, all things considered.

Of course you could get the auto camaro, put a stall converter in it and pick up 5 to 7 tenths in the quarter and be very consistent. Auto`s are easy on the driveline. Last I checked the GT500 is still 6spd manual only.

Here`s a vid of my trans am 390rwhp heads and cam only no power adder stock bottom end, factory was 285fhp w/ the stock twig 10 bolt and only the girdle cover on it w/ the preload screws to hold its rear together, stock trans w/ shift kit and stall, poly LCA`s and panhard bar...Most 6spd manual Fbods w/ drag radials stock on a prepped track would break the rear. Point is w/ the auto you will not destroy the rear in the 2010 Camaro unless you are at some insane power level in my opinion.



So a TVS2300 plus a good stall, Longtubes, maybe some alky, on the auto Camaro will be pretty darn quick, consistent and will probably have a very long drivetrain life...Imho...

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Of course you could get the auto camaro, put a stall converter in it and pick up 5 to 7 tenths in the quarter and be very consistent. Auto`s are easy on the driveline. Last I checked the GT500 is still 6spd manual only.

Here`s a vid of my trans am 390rwhp heads and cam only no power adder stock bottom end, factory was 285fhp w/ the stock twig 10 bolt and only the girdle cover on it w/ the preload screws to hold its rear together, stock trans w/ shift kit and stall, poly LCA`s and panhard bar...Most 6spd manual Fbods w/ drag radials stock on a prepped track would break the rear. Point is w/ the auto you will not destroy the rear in the 2010 Camaro unless you are at some insane power level in my opinion.



So a TVS2300 plus a good stall, Longtubes, maybe some alky, on the auto Camaro will be pretty darn quick, consistent and will probably have a very long drivetrain life...Imho...

+1

assuming no wheel hop of course.