FIXED!!Monster clutch. Those that have tracked,question concerning your 1LE's clutch

[crc91]

Thanks! Interesting info!

[AG1LE]

Originally Posted by X25

I would highly recommend The MixMizer:

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I'm new to replacing the brake/clutch fluid (and don't want to do an entire pressurized system flush myself) - how many times do you guys usually do the pump/pull/add/repeat with the syringe before you're satisfied that it's "better"?

I was planning to do the separate clutch reservoir, but I think you've convinced me to skip that one. Has anyone tried to add a second full-size stock reservoir instead?

[L99CAMA2011]

X25 is right. I would recommend a larger reservoir upgrade instead of separate reservoirs with a small one for the clutch. I sold my kit and kept the stock stuff and even at 76000 hard driven and tracked miles no issue ever. I did my SS lines and Motul 600 early though. Also the stock reservoir cap is prone to leaks so change it. I got a replacement one from Advance Auto that works better than the stock one but looks and fits the same just tighter fit.

[90503]

Originally Posted by AG1LE

I'm new to replacing the brake/clutch fluid (and don't want to do an entire pressurized system flush myself) - how many times do you guys usually do the pump/pull/add/repeat with the syringe before you're satisfied that it's "better"?

I was planning to do the separate clutch reservoir, but I think you've convinced me to skip that one. Has anyone tried to add a second full-size stock reservoir instead?

OK....In case there was any confusion that occurred from any on my posts, let me try and explain...

The syringe turkey baster/pump/replace, etc., I have only done on the separate clutch reservoir, not the brake fluid reservoir...Yes, I have extracted and replaced fluid from the brake reservoir, but only when bleeding the brakes....(a two man job)....I would not substitute simply replacing fluid from up top as a substitute for actually bleeding the brakes...

With only a separate reservoir for the clutch, my belief is that bleeding the clutch fluid once it gets old or dirty, is virtually impossible with the stock set-up...For this, I use the pump/extract/re-fill/repeat "method"...

I apologize for any misunderstanding and there are a lot of aftermarket goodies for clutches, brakes, cylinders, etc. that are available...

IMO it can't hurt to change out dirty-looking, blackish appearing clutch fluid from the separate reservoir by using the syringe...

I don't think there is any one sure-fire solution, replacement or combination that works in all cases....

...Hopefully those having trouble with their clutches and clutch pedals will get them fixed and be able to pass along what they felt caused the problem and what the solution was...

[Orange Crush 1LE]

A friend of mine suggested that my headers might be heating up the fluid, so I'm going to see if the engine installer removed any sort of heat shielding near the clutch fluid line. I'm also going to wrap the line to try to keep it cool.

[cornerspeed92]

Originally Posted by Orange Crush 1LE

A friend of mine suggested that my headers might be heating up the fluid, so I'm going to see if the engine installer removed any sort of heat shielding near the clutch fluid line. I'm also going to wrap the line to try to keep it cool.

Morning Todd, that sounds logical, but like i said mine started on the street long before i had "REAL" issues at Fontana, and i dont have headers. Im not sure about Toehead and Balue as far as headers. Im thinking our 1LE's have a a shortfall so to speak. I mean none of us beat our cars and for 4 of us within a month to all have the same problem...hmmmmmmm.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Orange Crush 1LE

A friend of mine suggested that my headers might be heating up the fluid, so I'm going to see if the engine installer removed any sort of heat shielding near the clutch fluid line. I'm also going to wrap the line to try to keep it cool.

My understanding is that heat part of the rationale for a separate clutch reservoir....We all know brake fluid gets very hot, so why not keep it separate from the clutch fluid....

My guess is the heat from the brakes far surpasses the heat that may come off the engine....but keeping it all cooler somehow sure couldn't hurt...After all it's the heat that causes fluid breakdown and the need for bleeding and replacement....And tracking these cars for sure heats things up...

Good luck, Todd, but those headers would have to be very, very close to the reservoir or the lines to make a difference....

[Camaro Dude]

So the the ultimate question here is, what is acting as a catalyst, and speeding up the failure rate on the weakest link in the system?

Or is it simply high heat breaking certain things down?


Weakest link in system: Slave Cylinder?


All those who have experienced failures, should specifically describe their setup, that relates to above possibilities, like fluid type used, and if not stock fluid, how soon in cars life was it flushed out and with what; one or two tank system; etc..any other mod that you feel worth mentioning including brake ducts.

[cornerspeed92]

In my case im running the Quantum brake cooling system. I have the separate reservoir for my clutch fluid. I change my fluid often, like after every 2 tanks of gas, which in my case is about every 5 or 6 weeks. I am running Dot 3 (Dot 4 in my brake system) I empty and fill the reservoir like 5 times and each time pump the clutch 30 times.

[Balue]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

Im not sure about Toehead and Balue as far as headers. Im thinking our 1LE's have a a shortfall so to speak. I mean none of us beat our cars and for 4 of us within a month to all have the same problem...hmmmmmmm.

Exhaust system is completely stock. Has not been touched at all.

Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

All those who have experienced failures, should specifically describe their setup, that relates to above possibilities, like fluid type used, and if not stock fluid, how soon in cars life was it flushed out and with what; one or two tank system; etc..any other mod that you feel worth mentioning including brake ducts.

The only mod I have is a CAI and that is it. Clutch and brake systems have been 100% untouched. Two weeks before the track event that I had issues, the stock combined reservoir was sucked empty and fresh motul filled and bled through the brake system.

So for all mechanical possibilities my car is stock all the way around.

[X25]

Originally Posted by AG1LE

I'm new to replacing the brake/clutch fluid (and don't want to do an entire pressurized system flush myself) - how many times do you guys usually do the pump/pull/add/repeat with the syringe before you're satisfied that it's "better"?

I was planning to do the separate clutch reservoir, but I think you've convinced me to skip that one. Has anyone tried to add a second full-size stock reservoir instead?

For those who have the separate reservoir:
As it was described in "Range method" threads at Corvette Forum, they do recommend about 30 pumps after fluid is replaced, and you repeat the process until the fluid starts staying clean. Obviously, if you have a bleeder, you could do this much easier in one shot. Beware, though, I've heard of someone who had a seal breakage issue while doing all the pumping.

If you don't have the separate clutch reservoir mod:
Then you obviously don't need to repeat this as often since there is a lot more fluid to cycle through in the system. Perhaps, sucking the fluid out of the reservoir whenever you bleed the brakes would be more than enough, or if you don't track the car, doing it once every, say, 6 months? I suppose it would depend on your use of the car and the fluid's quality, too.

[X25]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

In my case im running the Quantum brake cooling system. I have the separate reservoir for my clutch fluid. I change my fluid often, like after every 2 tanks of gas, which in my case is about every 5 or 6 weeks. I am running Dot 3 (Dot 4 in my brake system) I empty and fill the reservoir like 5 times and each time pump the clutch 30 times.

I would highly recommend you switch to a quality DOT4 like Motul 600 or similar for the clutch fluid, too. GM actually uses DOT4 on the C6 Corvettes that come with those little reservoirs.

[cornerspeed92]

Originally Posted by X25

I would highly recommend you switch to a quality DOT4 like Motul 600 or similar for the clutch fluid, too. GM actually uses DOT4 on the C6 Corvettes that come with those little reservoirs.

I thought about this too. How would this be done, by that i mean how do i get all the old fluid out in order to put Dot 4 in.

[X25]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

I thought about this too. How would this be done, by that i mean how do i get all the old fluid out in order to put Dot 4 in.

They're compatible. You can just switch to using DOT4, and it will replace DOT3 in time.