03-28-2013, 01:21 PM | #169 | |
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It's what a Z/28 is since yesterday. And that was the point of this thread, the discussion of : Do you think GM missed the ball my making the z/28 a track only car? Yes, by a long shot. I don't understand why so many people around here get their panties in a bunch just because they don't agree with an opinion. I think some of you missed your medication this morning. |
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03-28-2013, 01:22 PM | #170 |
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We get it, it's the REAL thing. I already commented on the original window sticker at the top of this page. Again: Base=$2,700 After all options=$3,800 An increase of 40%. An increase of 40% on a $35k SS is $49k, not $70-75k as is expected of the new Z-28. What we're saying, for the last time: So MANY people have been asking for a Z-28 since 2010. Now, 99.9% of those people that asked, will NEVER get the chance to own one because of the limited production and presumed price. As I said, it is what it is; however, many will miss out. I would pay $50k for one, but that's about it.
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03-28-2013, 01:24 PM | #171 |
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OK well after all the bitching I have done and reading and continued depression and disappointment, I have come to this same conclusion. So many wanted the LS7 in the car and the MPG's I would guess are going to be worse than the ZL1. If it was priced for any Joe Blow to purchase, since me included would love to, and many more would buy it just for the badge, GM's CAFE rating's would suffer tremendously. So all in all, the car is built to please a select few and the hallowed name is back so it may bring butt's to the dealerships, but I am saddened, jealous, disappointed and angry that I have saved, waited and waited and saved and I won't be able to get within a "tensa-Barriers" length to seeing one much less owning one in real life. Truly sad.
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03-28-2013, 01:33 PM | #172 | |
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...Unlike the 60's where you added items, and added expense, they just don't, won't, can't do it that way these days...They probably spent more time and expense figuring out how to remove items, than they would have cost to leave in...Numerous items that were once considered optional, have long been so taken for granted in the assembly process, that to undo them probably sent them back to the drawing board for a long, long time...These deleted items are money-makers for the company when they are included, but more of a night-mare to leave out... ...As crazy as it sounds, slam me if you want, but I think it's true....and why we will never see a pick and choose laundry list of options for cars ever again... |
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03-28-2013, 01:36 PM | #173 | |||
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I get your math, the problem is now GM works on packages NOT options. And this package is beyond loaded. And I'm not worked up over anything just trying to explain things rationally to guys that obviously LOVE cool cars, but cool cars can be expensive. |
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03-28-2013, 01:38 PM | #174 | |
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You are absolutely right. We ARE limiting the market for this car. It is not for everyone. I'm trying to decide exactly what the issues are here and I'm starting to believe it's because we have two schools of thought here: The first school wants the Z/28 to go back to its roots. (Hint: did you note that the car is a "Z/28" and not a "Z28"??? -- go do your homework.......) The second school wants a Z/28 (I should say in this instance "Z28" that can be built 15 bazillion different ways........) We made a decision and we're sticking to it. The "Z/28" is a hallowed moniker that became 'less and less' to some people over the years..... If you are not happy the way the Z/28 is configured, we offer you: >SS/L99 >SS/LS3 >SS/1LE/LS3 >ZL1 And if that's not enough for you - you may want to consider ordering a 1LE and then modding or dropping your own LS7 engine in the engine bay........ Lastly - and I'll say it again (pay attention!) CAFE STANDARDS! Get used to them or vote our electeds in Washington out of office...........
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03-28-2013, 01:40 PM | #175 | |
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The Z/28 isn't meant to outsell the ZL1.
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03-28-2013, 01:41 PM | #176 |
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Maybe the Legend will be understood now.
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03-28-2013, 01:42 PM | #177 | |
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03-28-2013, 01:45 PM | #178 |
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When my wife says she like the thought of a Z/28, I think GM did it right!! Considering we own a ZL1.
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03-28-2013, 01:48 PM | #180 | |
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....and what I'd say to you is that if we did the exact opposite, we'd be getting bashed from those whose opinions are 180 degrees from yours. LOOK AT THE LINEUP...... WE BUILD A CAMARO FOR (quoting Alfred Sloan) "every purse and every purpose" (......you younguns -- go read up on Mr. Alfred Sloan.....also Mr. Vince Piggins......)
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03-28-2013, 01:53 PM | #181 | |
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At least you have a sense of humor... |
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03-28-2013, 01:55 PM | #182 | |
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And to you I would reply that we had a lot of really upset Camaro Enthusiasts - those who have been enthusiasts for 40+ years in many cases - and others not that long but who loved the Z/28 moniker and thought we'd thrown the name in the mud by putting it on cars with less than 200 hp......... They were upset for many years and some others weren't. We can't (nor can any manufacturer) keep everyone happy. We (as custodians of the brand) believe we did what needed to be done. (....I also suspect we'll have people applying Z28 emblems -- note I did not say Z/28 - on their Camaros.....even though they're not real Z/28s....)
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