First independent video of the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 on the 1/4 mile track

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I run 11.973 @ 120.19 on the stock wheel and tire for a 2010 2SS/RS and in a manual trans too.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I do have a Maggy and some suspension mods.. so, some think that's cheating..

but.. I'm still running OEM rubber that's seen snow, ice and full winter.

oh.. and a tire plug.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Well, I am lighter, but that run had OEM suspension except for PFADT solid subframes and their trailing arms. So, no electronically variable stuff to help me.. I did have HendrixEngineering L5 Axles, which should be similar in mass, but I have the OEM center section and gearing. I am putting down 560 tire HP and 520 tire TQ though... Which, I gotta tell ya.. when I turned the computer off at the track, it is just crazy to manage on this tire. I had to lower tire pressure in to upper 20s in the rear and almost 40 in the front (I have it jotted down somewhere).. No weight removal either, other than my listed mods..

That's a respectable time.

Solid bushings and trailing arms go a long way in controlling wheel hop. It looks by the video that the ZL1 suffers from wheel hop just like the SS and that kills your 60'.

There is no way the ZL1 will dyno 560rwhp and 520 rwtq. I'm guessing more around 510 rwhp and 495 rwtq.

I'm not saying people wont get stock ZL1s in the 11s, I'm just saying there will be less than most are thinking.

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i didnt use the 107mph run but i used the 113mph. Its all about statistics and averages. You cant just throw out some low numbers because you didnt like it. What if the 119 trap was in negative density or really low DA run that you only get in winter?? 116mph so far represents the average of what to expect to run on any given day.

Yes you can, they are called outliers. This guy was obviously a noob. When comparing times I'm assuming we are all interested in how fast the ZL1 is, not how noob friendly it is. It's just like if you miss a shift and just coast the rest of the way, you wouldn't include those runs.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

That's a respectable time.

Solid bushings and trailing arms go a long way in controlling wheel hop. It looks by the video that the ZL1 suffers from wheel hop just like the SS and that kills your 60'.

There is no way the ZL1 will dyno 560rwhp and 520 rwtq. I'm guessing more around 510 rwhp and 495 rwtq.
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392 SRT8 Challys are running about 4-6mph slower with maybe 420rwhp and weigh about the same as the zl1. so im gonna guess the zl1 will be putting down 470-480rwhp.

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Yes you can, they are called outliers. This guy was obviously a noob. When comparing times I'm assuming we are all interested in how fast the ZL1 is, not how noob friendly it is. It's just like if you miss a shift and just coast the rest of the way, you wouldn't include those runs.

the 107mph was an outlier, so i used the 113mph, his best run. And it definately isnt the same as missing a shift and coasting. If the lowest MPH is considered an outlier then perhaps the top MPH should also, which in the end would even out. Im not interested in the absolute best of the best runs ever. I already stated that, especially since all those seem to happen at the "fast" tracks anyways. Im more interested in what to realistically expect from one when you see one on the street or the track.

[tooslow]

What has been concluded thus far from all the available data:

-A stock ZL1 on stock rubber has yet to break the 12-second barrier.
-Despite its sophisticated suspension/dampeners, wheel hop is still present on the drag strip
-The car makes more than enough power to achieve a sub-12 second 1/4 mile time on stock rubber given optimal track conditions/driver.
-Anyone who actually races a 580HP car at the drag strip on stock rubber has a death-wish or obviously has no experience on such a track.
-Times achieved on one track cannot be assumed to be realistic for every track throughout the country.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by tooslow

What has been concluded thus far from all the available data:

-Anyone who actually races a 580HP car at the drag strip on stock rubber has a death-wish or obviously has no experience on such a track.

Ummmm.............

I'm doing that on around 660HP and doing rather well, thank you.. You can't just hit the gas, dump the clutch and expect to do anything other than tear shit up.. But, I have no death-wish and have been on plenty of 1/4mi tracks.

Yes, I could be much faster with DRs and such.. but, your two options are just incorrect. One certainly can track a 580HP car on stock rubber and be just fine with the right skill and mindset.

Hell, I'd love to have just the ZL1's wheel/tire combination swapped on to my SS and see what difference it makes over these PZeroes.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by tooslow

What has been concluded thus far from all the available data:

-A stock ZL1 on stock rubber has yet to break the 12-second barrier.
-Despite its sophisticated suspension/dampeners, wheel hop is still present on the drag strip
-The car makes more than enough power to achieve a sub-12 second 1/4 mile time on stock rubber given optimal track conditions/driver.
-Anyone who actually races a 580HP car at the drag strip on stock rubber has a death-wish or obviously has no experience on such a track.
-Times achieved on one track cannot be assumed to be realistic for every track throughout the country.

true on all accounts. although i wouldnt really say racing a 580hp car at 4100lbs as a death wish. it CAN get dicy sometimes, but usually i see the guys with slicks lose control of their car more.
In my experience, when you lose traction on street tires the car is still generally pointed straight. If you lose traction with sticky tires, those tires will "bite" more than the stock ones while youre a lil sideways and propel you towards a wall. I understand Thats not always the case though, if you try too much to stay on it and lose complete control of your car on street tires youll probably end up sliding around everywhere and end up crashing anyways.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

392 SRT8 Challys are running about 4-6mph slower with maybe 420rwhp and weigh about the same as the zl1. so im gonna guess the zl1 will be putting down 470-480rwhp.



the 107mph was an outlier, so i used the 113mph, his best run. And it definately isnt the same as missing a shift and coasting. If the lowest MPH is considered an outlier then perhaps the top MPH should also, which in the end would even out. Im not interested in the absolute best of the best runs ever. I already stated that, especially since all those seem to happen at the "fast" tracks anyways. Im more interested in what to realistically expect from one when you see one on the street or the track.

You should take a statistics class.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Ummmm.............

I'm doing that on around 660HP and doing rather well, thank you.. You can't just hit the gas, dump the clutch and expect to do anything other than tear shit up.. But, I have no death-wish and have been on plenty of 1/4mi tracks.

Yes, I could be much faster with DRs and such.. but, your two options are just incorrect. One certainly can track a 580HP car on stock rubber and be just fine with the right skill and mindset.

Hell, I'd love to have just the ZL1's wheel/tire combination swapped on to my SS and see what difference it makes over these PZeroes.

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

true on all accounts. although i wouldnt really say racing a 580hp car at 4100lbs as a death wish. it CAN get dicy sometimes, but usually i see the guys with slicks lose control of their car more.
In my experience, when you lose traction on street tires the car is still generally pointed straight. If you lose traction with sticky tires, those tires will "bite" more than the stock ones while youre a lil sideways and propel you towards a wall. I understand Thats not always the case though, if you try too much to stay on it and lose complete control of your car on street tires youll probably end up sliding around everywhere and end up crashing anyways.

LOL at you guys not catching the sarcasm.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Ummmm.............

I'm doing that on around 660HP and doing rather well, thank you.. You can't just hit the gas, dump the clutch and expect to do anything other than tear shit up.. But, I have no death-wish and have been on plenty of 1/4mi tracks.

Yes, I could be much faster with DRs and such.. but, your two options are just incorrect. One certainly can track a 580HP car on stock rubber and be just fine with the right skill and mindset.

Yeah, I get that, and I guess if you just go to the track with a 660HP for the heck of it, you can probably manage it just fine. However, most people I know that frequent the drag strips are doing so to see what the car can actually do with the power it has or try to improve on their personal best time in that same car.

The problem is, there are going to be lot of people who don't have your experience buying this car and heading out to their local strip on the stock tires to show off the prowess of their $55K wondercar, and that scares the crap out of me.

I can almost guarantee you that the GM warranty nor your insurance coverage will cover you if something bad happens!

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

You should take a statistics class..

i have

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

You should take a statistics class.



LOL at you guys not catching the sarcasm.

I'm like Sheldon with that...

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Yeah, I get that, and I guess if you just go to the track with a 660HP for the heck of it, you can probably manage it just fine. However, most people I know that frequent the drag strips are doing so to see what the car can actually do with the power it has or try to improve on their personal best time in that same car.

The problem is, there are going to be lot of people who don't have your experience buying this car and heading out to their local strip on the stock tires to show off the prowess of their $55K wondercar, and that scares the crap out of me.

True... But... that's true of many cars in the past.. I've seen my share of 14-15s Corvettes, GT500s and who can forget the earlier Dyno Queen.. The Supra...

The best technology in the world is no match for the determined Human brain, sadly..

The OEM tires, while seriously irritating to me, do force me to be very aware of what I'm doing when launching/driving... It forces me to become a more educated driver in my particular car's configuration...

Though.. yes.. I forsee many upset and slow times for this and the upcoming GT500 and some interesting flames about each faction holding on to the slowest and avg times as best times.. Nothing new..

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

392 SRT8 Challys are running about 4-6mph slower with maybe 420rwhp and weigh about the same as the zl1. so im gonna guess the zl1 will be putting down 470-480rwhp.

ZL1 has 24 more HP than the CTS-V and here is what they are putting down stock.

425-----425-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------05-05-10-------tx-------wfo
429-----423-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------12-10-08-------in-------wait4me
429-----430-----A6-----unc.----Dynojet------09-26-09-------ca-------garywells
430-----????-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------xx-xx-xxx------nv------zippy--09
436-----432-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------12-17-09-------ua-------tagzo
438-----432-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------xx-xx-xxx------oh-------drbuzz
439-----435-----A6-----std------Dynojet------06-14-10-------nv-------zippy--10
439-----436-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------10-05-10-------tx-------domsz06
440-----427-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------02-19-10-------ca-------cts-v-twin
442-----442-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------07-20-09-------ca-------katmcrat
444-----442-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------03-18-10-------fl--------veelocity
447-----450-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------04-03-10-------il--------prof
451-----439-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-25-10-------tx-------richeic77
454-----453-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------05-03-09-------xx-------mafungu
456-----451-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------10-13-10-------ca-------garywells
457-----459-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------10-07-09-------fl--------lowet
459-----459-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------12-07-09-------tx-------nineball
459-----462-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------01-27-10-------az-------mike09v
460-----454-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------01-07-10-------tx-------dons
460-----461-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-18-10-------nc-------heintzrac
462-----445-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------05-05-10-------md------tmccl65
462-----501-----M6----xxx-----Mustang-----05-01-09-------il--------razorecko
463-----461-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------04-16-10-------ne-----intrvnton302
465-----447-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------01-26-10-------tx-------richeic77
466-----463-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------03-18-10-------nc------heintzrac
466-----464-----M6----xxx-----Landsea------05-xx-09-------ca-------luna
470-----465-----M6----sae-----Dynojet.------04-20-10-------ua------venomws7
471-----475-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------01-07-09-------il-------davegolder
474-----472-----M6----sae-----Dynojet------10-26-10-------ca-------e6t
474-----481-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-22-10-------tx-------jcampbell
485-----453-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------07-10-09-------tx-------stealthjr
488-----470-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------04-25-10-------il-------newcadman
491-----496-----M6----xxx-----Dynapk------04-20-10-------md------tbjs
493-----511-----M6----sae-----Dynapk------04-28-10-------ca-------fleadh
493-----519-----A6-----sae-----Dynapk------01-29-09-------ca-------d3(craig)
494-----483-----M6----sae-----Dynojet------01-16-09-------tx-------silver-v-
497-----513-----A6.----sae-----Dynapk------10-16-09-------ca-------garywells
500-----481-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------03-06-10-------al-------roarkb
502-----490-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------12-25-09-------tx-------trevord
507-----525-----M6----xxx-----Dynomt------09-26-09-------in-------backup
510-----531-----A6.----sae-----Dynapk------10-11-10-------ca-------garywells
525-----519-----M6----xxx-----Dynomt.-----10-22-10-------ny-------aj660

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

ZL1 has 24 more HP than the CTS-V and here is what they are putting down stock.

425-----425-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------05-05-10-------tx-------wfo
429-----423-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------12-10-08-------in-------wait4me
429-----430-----A6-----unc.----Dynojet------09-26-09-------ca-------garywells
430-----????-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------xx-xx-xxx------nv------zippy--09
436-----432-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------12-17-09-------ua-------tagzo
438-----432-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------xx-xx-xxx------oh-------drbuzz
439-----435-----A6-----std------Dynojet------06-14-10-------nv-------zippy--10
439-----436-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------10-05-10-------tx-------domsz06
440-----427-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------02-19-10-------ca-------cts-v-twin
442-----442-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------07-20-09-------ca-------katmcrat
444-----442-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------03-18-10-------fl--------veelocity
447-----450-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------04-03-10-------il--------prof
451-----439-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-25-10-------tx-------richeic77
454-----453-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------05-03-09-------xx-------mafungu
456-----451-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------10-13-10-------ca-------garywells
457-----459-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------10-07-09-------fl--------lowet
459-----459-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------12-07-09-------tx-------nineball
459-----462-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------01-27-10-------az-------mike09v
460-----454-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------01-07-10-------tx-------dons
460-----461-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-18-10-------nc-------heintzrac
462-----445-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------05-05-10-------md------tmccl65
462-----501-----M6----xxx-----Mustang-----05-01-09-------il--------razorecko
463-----461-----A6-----xxx-----Dynojet------04-16-10-------ne-----intrvnton302
465-----447-----A6-----std-----Dynojet------01-26-10-------tx-------richeic77
466-----463-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------03-18-10-------nc------heintzrac
466-----464-----M6----xxx-----Landsea------05-xx-09-------ca-------luna
470-----465-----M6----sae-----Dynojet.------04-20-10-------ua------venomws7
471-----475-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------01-07-09-------il-------davegolder
474-----472-----M6----sae-----Dynojet------10-26-10-------ca-------e6t
474-----481-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------02-22-10-------tx-------jcampbell
485-----453-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------07-10-09-------tx-------stealthjr
488-----470-----A6-----sae-----Dynojet------04-25-10-------il-------newcadman
491-----496-----M6----xxx-----Dynapk------04-20-10-------md------tbjs
493-----511-----M6----sae-----Dynapk------04-28-10-------ca-------fleadh
493-----519-----A6-----sae-----Dynapk------01-29-09-------ca-------d3(craig)
494-----483-----M6----sae-----Dynojet------01-16-09-------tx-------silver-v-
497-----513-----A6.----sae-----Dynapk------10-16-09-------ca-------garywells
500-----481-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------03-06-10-------al-------roarkb
502-----490-----M6----xxx-----Dynojet------12-25-09-------tx-------trevord
507-----525-----M6----xxx-----Dynomt------09-26-09-------in-------backup
510-----531-----A6.----sae-----Dynapk------10-11-10-------ca-------garywells
525-----519-----M6----xxx-----Dynomt.-----10-22-10-------ny-------aj660

That's an average of 465rwhp. I would say my 480rwhp guess is pretty damned good.the zl1 makes 24 more flywheel hp but I'm sure the zl1s beefier drivetrain will eat up a few more hp.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

That's an average of 465rwhp. I would say my 480rwhp guess is pretty damned good.the zl1 makes 24 more flywheel hp but I'm sure the zl1s beefier drivetrain will eat up a few more hp.

Never mind, I give up with you.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Never mind, I give up with you.

What's wrong?

8 of the cars dynoed in the 460's.more than any other group (420's, 430's etc.). no other group had more than 6 (450's).