2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

You will see it this year. 2015 is also the 50th anniversary of the GT350.

Exactly. I hope they debut it at the upcoming Detroit Auto show because I will be there to see the C7 Z06. It would be nice to see the Z/28 and GT350 as well.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

OK, some historical perspective on Gen-5 Z/28 Pricing:

The closest possible version ALMOST available was the proposed (2 prototypes built, Black with Gold stripes) '69 COPO 9567. Here's what it would have been included:

[EDIT from here - http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55107 ]

Standard options slated for production COPO 9567 ZL-1Special Camaros included:
Tuxedo Black paint with Special Gold striping
ZL-1 Street Detuned Engine
Z22 Rally Sport
M21 (M22 Optional) 4-spd manual or Heavy Duty M40 3-spd automatic transmission
J52 Power Disc Brakes - Front only
N40 Power Steering
D55 Center Console
U16 Tachometer
F41 Special Performance Suspension
ZN2 COPO 9567 Springs
G80 Positraction (4.10 ratio w/M21 or 3.55 ratio w/M40)
K85 61 Amp Generator
K66 Transistor Ignition
D80 Auxiliary Valance Panel (Rear Spoiler)
Wider Front Bumper Valance Panel (Front Spoiler)
VE3 Special Front Bumper (only Prototype “B” had this)
Racing Type Mirrors (Only Prototype “B” had these? – Can’t tell from photos. Prototype “A” did not.)
Exhaust Resonators
Tail Pipe Extensions
Special Steering Wheel
F-70-15B Nylon Blackwall w/Gold Lettered Tires
15x7 Wheels (Prototype “B” had 15x8s in the rear)
Special Hub Caps & Wheel Nuts
Wheel Trim Rings
Fender Splash Guards (Prototype cars did not have these)
Special Striping, Decals for the Hood, Grille & Rear End Panel (The grille lettering was slightly different for each of the two prototype cars – see pictures below)
Wheel Opening Mouldings Deleted (only Prototype “B” had these deleted)
Special Instrument Cluster (for Transistor Ignition)
Other Features of RPO L-78 except Fender Emblems
The COPO 9567 cars were already slated to sell for $8581.60 for the (M21) 4-spd version and $8676.60 for the (M40) 3-spd automatic version. [M22 + $100]

I believe that because there was more to the COPO 9567 ZL-1 Special Camaro than simply adding and deleting existing components (the process used for building a COPO 9560 Camaro), it required more lead-time within GM to make the car a reality. There was artwork to be done, badging to be made, and another batch of engines to produce, amongst other things. Given the reaction to pricing on the 9560 cars, the proposed price for a COPO 9567 was also too high.

Exactly how close the COPO 9567 Camaro actually came to production is unknown, but from the documentation I’ve accumulated, it’s clear that Chevrolet was more than just considering building these cars. They had done a significant amount of planning, engineering, prototyping, and pricing of them to clearly show that the car was ready to go to production.

NO 4WDB-CC/ABS/TC/StabiliTrak/Airbags/5mph bumpers/GG Tax/Crash Testing/P. Windows-Locks-Tilt-Cruise-forged alum. wheels-Radial tires etc.

CPI - 1/01/1969 to 1/01/2014 = 6.50 X $8681.60 [M22] = $56,500. 4WDB (if available w/HD 12-bolt, which they weren't) @ $500 X 6.5 = $3,250 extra, theoretically...

So, a '69 car without 4.5 DECADES of technological improvements @ $60Gs, today, MINUS a LOT!

This makes a $75,000 all-in number very respectable. Not what I personally hoped for ($65-ish before Fr/GG, so off by 10%), but very respectable.

Especially for a short production run...

uh-oh - there you go again - confusing us with FACTS again!!!


As always, Mr. Lowdown you bring up many many salient points. And you make it understandable and for that I thank you!!!



Now -- to some of you:

One thing to keep in mind as we 'debate' -

For many years we 'watered down" the Z28 (not my term - the term of many Z/28 purists... While the Z28 became much more affordable, those who remember what the 1967 Z was designed for were quite upset with where we were going with their 'hallowed' nameplate -- believe me, I've been getting very 'pointed' letters and emails from the old-school Z/28 enthusiasts since about 1996..........

So.....we decided it was time to honor the original purpose........that now means that the 'mainline' Z28 enthusiast is now upset.

That's the way this thing called "Camaro Enthusiasm" works, it seems.

Those of us on the team have to make hard, fast decisions - and we know that no matter WHAT we choose or select or decide - SOMEONE will call us out - (most of the time with an un-thought-out line of reasoning....)

So be it - that's why we have broad shoulders.

(note that I went from Z/28 to Z28 and back and forth for a reason...I'll let you do a bit of research if you don't understand why....)

There's a reason we used the LS7 engine - rather than the LS3 -- and that shows in the performance numbers ....... we didn't want to cut corners.....

Yes - unfortunately some dealers will throw a premium on top of the MSRP. You have the option of saying "NO!" - and I suspect that some will sit and sit and sit - and finally be discounted..............

Make no mistake -this is a serious driving machine -

Let's celebrate that fact, shall we?

[TPAJETSKI]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Those of you posting about dealer markups...you do understand how that is making you look? Right? Serious buyers negotiated their deal in writing a long time ago. I'm sure for those who have waited to work a deal until pricing was released, using something called "initiative" they can hit the phones now and still work an in-writing MSRP deal.

If you are unwilling to lay the groundwork, then you haven't earned the right to avoid being gouged with a mark up.

Simply having a strong sense of entitlement doesn't gain you any benefits in society.

Whining and complaining is making you look...like whiners and complainers.

Think about it...

Just my opinion but I think it has more to do with market economics than whiners and complainers...supply and demand...If a bunch of rubes are willing to pay 10K over sticker for it that's what dealers are going to charge for it. On the other hand if people will not pay over sticker for it then the asking price will reflect that. This is of course an overall reflection on the market as a whole, not the outlier deals that are super low or super high.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by hockeylover86

X2...

Pricing is way too high for what you are getting.

C7 or ZL1 much better cars for the $$...

In 1969, EVERY Corvette variant (except the 2 ZL1-engined versions) was LE$$ expen$ive than the all-aluminum-engined 427 Camaros...

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/membe..._Test_1-16.pdf

COPO 9560 ZL1-engined Camaros started @ $7,100-and-change...

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Those of you posting about dealer markups...you do understand how that is making you look? Right? Serious buyers negotiated their deal in writing a long time ago. I'm sure for those who have waited to work a deal until pricing was released, using something called "initiative" they can hit the phones now and still work an in-writing MSRP deal.

If you are unwilling to lay the groundwork, then you haven't earned the right to avoid being gouged with a mark up.

Simply having a strong sense of entitlement doesn't gain you any benefits in society.

Whining and complaining is making you look...like whiners and complainers.

Think about it...

Don't really see anyone whining except you. And you know how that makes you look, right? I personally don't give a flip if someone gets tagged with ADM or not, since I'm not interested in a Z/28 anyway. But the point is, even serious buyers that try to lay the ground work may get lucky and work a deal. But I also know dealers that don't get allocations so it doesn't matter anyway that the deal is in writing, and some that won't put it in writing, do it on a handshake, then zing you with a markup when the time comes because they suddenly had amnesia.

Happens a lot. If you can get it for no ADM, great for you. But not all dealers will do it. That's a fact. I've never paid at or above MSRP in my life on any new car I've ever bought so I don't know what that's like anyway, but I'm sure it's not fun. And there's no reason to break that streak now. But there's enough financial geniuses that are willing to pay more. Good for them. Either way, I hope Z/28 owners are happy with their car.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Those of you posting about dealer markups...you do understand how that is making you look? Right? Serious buyers negotiated their deal in writing a long time ago. I'm sure for those who have waited to work a deal until pricing was released, using something called "initiative" they can hit the phones now and still work an in-writing MSRP deal.

If you are unwilling to lay the groundwork, then you haven't earned the right to avoid being gouged with a mark up.

Simply having a strong sense of entitlement doesn't gain you any benefits in society.

Whining and complaining is making you look...like whiners and complainers.

Think about it...

I don't think anybody was whining about dealer mark-up. Hell, garbage dealers can mark-up all they want...people will just car shop somewhere else. When my Dad was looking for a 2012 ZL1, he went to dozens of dealers near Pittsburgh. Everybody was asking $10-15k over sticker. They all told him he'd never find one at sticker. He told them all to stick it in their ass. I finally found him one in Indiana (5 hours away). He called them, they offered him $500 under MSRP, he then drove there and bought it the next day. Some dealers gouge, some don't. I won't do business with shady dealers. Plain and simple. If people would refuse to buy from these crummy dealers, they'd get the idea and quit gouging. Some dopes just have more money than brains. "Yea, sure...I'll pay you $100k for a $75k car.".

[TPAJETSKI]

On a somewhat related note, since when does the Camaro come with carpeting in the trunk?

[LOWDOWN]

DEALER MARKET ADJUSTMENTS...aka "rip-offs"...

"There are NO victims...but there ARE volunteers"

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by TPAJETSKI

On a somewhat related note, since when does the Camaro come with carpeting in the trunk?

Not really carpeting like the interior but a mat that covers the floor and the sides and back to make it look finished instead of bare metal.

[Mister Will]

Well, nice to see the MSRP price, and from a reliable source. It is a little north of what I would be willing to spend. But then again with availability and expected dealer mark-ups, this wasn't really a surprise either.

Kudos to the buyers that get one.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

DEALER MARKET ADJUSTMENTS...aka "rip-offs"...

"There are NO victims...but there ARE volunteers"

How true.

[danf1000]

the news of the pricing on this car, without some sort of limited edition collector justification (which would be unheard of in ponycar sales) is just disappointing.

the ls7 is at best a 8k$ upgrade. lets add the supercar brakes, say 15k$ that leaves 15k for shocks springs wheels and tires upgrade. not appropriate to the z28 in my opinion.

with a more pragmatic approach to the shocks, springs, brakes of the zl1, appropriate to the camaro line, this car should have sold for 50k. hardly would have been a true competitor to the vette in this range though.

the z28 nameplate implies regular-guy affordability. that marque has been misused.








the z28 is, in my opinion, no better than a gt500. faster around a corner? yes. slower at the dragstrip? yes.


the z28 nameplate implies regular-guy affordability. that marque has been misused.

[LOWDOWN]

Don't be angry, Angrybird.

He didn't.

He does...

Re Z28 vs. Z/28: THIS one has a slash...and is NOT a slap-dash badge-stealer...LARGE difference.

The wayward son has "returned"...

[mlee]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Don't be angry, Angrybird.

He didn't.

He does...

Re Z28 vs. Z/28: THIS one has a slash...

LOL.. you beat me to it.