2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[Beck]

Originally Posted by Rock36

This is true, but the 2013 GT500 clearly has more than just horsepower upgrades.

Whether this translates into performance has yet to be seen, so yes the jury is still out, but there is more than just horsepower here.

Sadly the jury is still out on many aspects of the ZL1's performance as well.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Beck

Sadly the jury is still out on many aspects of the ZL1's performance as well.

Absolutely, and imagine if the ZL1 still hands the GT500 its ass after all this. That would be a counter-kick in the nuts to Ford.

[toilets]

Does anyone think that Ford is using the GT500 as its response for the ZR1? (yes ZR1 not Zl1)

I wonder if ford will begin answering Chevy's Corvettes with this car. Granted this wont compare to the ZR1 now but its surely getting there.

If the Zl1 comes out as 175 top end and this is 200, that is laughable.

I really think this car will be 70-80K

[HEMI DAVE]

It's just scary to think what this thing might run with just a set of slicks........just F'in scary.......

[SSmoked]

Originally Posted by shockandawe

Even the diehards will cancel their orders for the ZL1. This car simply cannot compete with the GT.

Doubt it. im not thats for sure.

Originally Posted by Rock36

Absolutely, and imagine if the ZL1 still hands the GT500 its ass after all this. That would be a counter-kick in the nuts to Ford.

X10000

Still alot of information missing about the new 500. balance? the 500 was always front heavy, now with a bigger motor, more cooling i cant see it being better.

[toilets]

Now this is cool though.

All five of those metrics can be initiated with a virtual drag racing start light, so Mustang drivers can hone their skills off the track. There's also a Brake Performance screen, where 60-0 mph and 100-0 mph stopping distances can be measured.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1dmf9U9At

[10forty2]

Originally Posted by toilets

Does anyone think that Ford is using the GT500 as its response for the ZR1? (yes ZR1 not Zl1)

I wonder if ford will begin answering Chevy's Corvettes with this car. Granted this wont compare to the ZR1 now but its surely getting there.

If the Zl1 comes out as 175 top end and this is 200, that is laughable.

I really think this car will be 70-80K

They're gonna have to come up with HANDLING as well as horsepower to truly compete with either the ZL1 or the ZR1. There was a great comparison between the European Super Cars and the Ford GT in a magazine article I read several years ago. The Ford kicked all the Euros in the straights, but when it came to overall performance, the Euros won because they could handle the twisties better. Ford's got a lot of work to do to put those ponies to the ground and hold the road like the ZL1 and the ZR1 has already proven it can! Now, if they can accomplish that...well then...GAME ON!!!

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by toilets

Does anyone think that Ford is using the GT500 as its response for the ZR1? (yes ZR1 not Zl1)

I wonder if ford will begin answering Chevy's Corvettes with this car. Granted this wont compare to the ZR1 now but its surely getting there.

If the Zl1 comes out as 175 top end and this is 200, that is laughable.

I really think this car will be 70-80K

It's possible since Ford doesn't have a direct competitor to the vette, but this 2013 GT500 simply will not hang with a ZR1. It just won't.

The GT500 has been compared with base Vettes and occasionally the Z06 off and on since the S197 GT500 arrived in 2007. Needless to say, the GT500 never came close to matching even a base Vette in any of those reviews.

With the latest GT500, it might be able to finally best a base C6 stock vs. stock on a road course, but they will end up costing about the same so I guess it is a wash.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests


Those are all older GT500 of course but you get the point.

[zero]

Manual Automatic

0 – 60 mph (from rolling start) 4.0 seconds 3.9 seconds

1/4-mile (from a rolling start) 12.1 sec at 119 mph 12.0 sec at 119 mph

Top speed 180 mph 184 mph

Max lateral grip 1.0 g 1.0 g

“With 0 to 60 taking less than four seconds, the acceleration of the ZL1 is just awesome,” said
Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer, “but horsepower is only half of the story. The ZL1’s
most significant measurement of performance is lapping the Nurburgring in 7:41.27. That’s
astounding for a 2+2 coupe, and a great testament to the acceleration, braking, grip, and
balance of the Camaro ZL1. It is the well-rounded performance of the Camaro ZL1 that will set
the bar for the sports-car segment.”

I think they dropped the ball on the ZL1 and were too busy tying to get porky to handle when they should have concentrated more on performance numbers. The 2013 GT500 will probably handle just as well and be faster.

[Blue Maro Demon]

OMG The Mustang fanboys are already downing the Corvette ZR-1 and everything! A guy told a Mustang fan that it didnt matter and that the Corvette ZR-1 was still faster than the new Shelby GT500 on a road course and everything this was the Mustang fans response! - Ford simply does not want to waste time on "SLOPPY SECONDS" like the corvette. Your corvette is simply in a lower class than the Mighty Ford Mustang GT500!
This guy must be an idiot the Corvette ZR-1 will still be faster than this new Shelby GT500. The ZR-1 weighs 3,333 and the Shelby weighs 3,850. Even with a 12hp advantage the ZR-1 will win easily.

[rmbrady]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

OMG The Mustang fanboys are already downing the Corvette ZR-1 and everything! A guy told a Mustang fan that it didnt matter and that the Corvette ZR-1 was still faster than the new Shelby GT500 on a road course and everything this was the Mustang fans response! - Ford simply does not want to waste time on "SLOPPY SECONDS" like the corvette. Your corvette is simply in a lower class than the Mighty Ford Mustang GT500!
This guy must be an idiot the Corvette ZR-1 will still be faster than this new Shelby GT500. The ZR-1 weighs 3,333 and the Shelby weighs 3,850. Even with a 12hp advantage the ZR-1 will win easily.

Can't be too surprised by the reaction, the exact same thing happens on this board anytime some compares some car to a Camaro. Blind fanboys are all the same regardless of which car they like.

[LostInMoscow]

Originally Posted by Stew

Gotta love this salvo fire! That sounds pretty awesome. A factory 200 MPH Mustang????

I'm betting that 200 MPH in that Mustang is going to feel a whole lot less stable than 200 MPH in a ZR1. I'm not lining up to be first.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

It's just scary to think what this thing might run with just a set of slicks........just F'in scary.......

In the hands of an inexperienced driver, I'd say it would run...into a wall.

[shockandawe]

I think GM dropped the ball on the development of this car. Their egos got the best of them and they thought they simply could not be beat. Looks like reality bit em in the ass. Give us a car that tops the GT or simply cancel production till they h e all their ducks in a row.