Motor Trend compares the ZL1 to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by jroc7

Wheres the video of the ZR1 vs the Mustang GT? If we're going to race cars from different classes, lets be even about it. If you have to roll out a Shelby to win a race against a stock SS, that says a lot.

[htron50]

Oh... am I really back in High School?????????

[jroc7]

Originally Posted by jroc7

Wheres the video of the ZR1 vs the Mustang GT? If we're going to race cars from different classes, lets be even about it. If you have to roll out a Shelby to win a race against a stock SS, that says a lot.

My favorite part of that video is that for an extra $20,000 and 114 more hp, all you get is 0.1 seconds and a ruined set of rear tires. Like I said in an earlier post, horsepower without grip is just wasted energy. I'd say the big winner when the new GT500 comes out is Pirelli -- because they'll get to sell Mustang owners lots more sets of rear tires.

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by jroc7

Based on the laptimes, if these two cars went to that track and had a 350-mile race, the Camaro would beat the "best mustang ever made" by 3 laps! Think about that. And as for a 650-hp GT500, just look at the lap times of the ZR1 vs ZL1 at the ring from last year. The ZR1, with over 600 hp and much less weight and better aero wasn't that much faster when you take the length of one lap into account. The 2013 GT500 may be impressive in a straight line, but no one would take it in a fight with the ZR1, so with the same old Mustang lack of technology and refinement, all you're going to get is a lot of wasted energy from the motor. Power means nothing if you can't put it down. Besides, if Ford gets to brag about the Shelby-enhanced Mustang, I'm sure SLP, Lingenfelter, or any of those guys would be more than happy to take on anything Carol Shelby or Jack Roush can crap out. If its the best car that rolls out of Dearborn vs the best car that rolls out of Oshawa, I'll take GM everytime.

I don't know how many times it has to be said: the GT500 rolls out of Dearborn. It does not go to Shelby for enhancement. It cannot in any way, shape, or form be compared to aftermarket tuner cars like SLP or Lingenfelter.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

I don't know how many times it has to be said: the GT500 rolls out of Dearborn. It does not go to Shelby for enhancement. It cannot in any way, shape, or form be compared to aftermarket tuner cars like SLP or Lingenfelter.

I think the SLP cars are fair game, they work with GM pretty close. They have a relationship a lot like AMG and Benz. SLP far more than a tuner or marketing division.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I don't think GoldenBear needs a COPO to go fast in a straight line, his ZL1 vert does it just fine. I am waiting for someone to give me a similar car that is faster than the ZL1 in a straight line Please don't bring up the Great Blue Hope the 2013 Shelby They have released ZERO real numbers and we know they have problems getting going. Right now the ZL1 is the Living Legend and just cleaned house with Boss 302.

Ooohhh, I had no idea! GB, when did you take delivery of your ZL1 convertible?

While your intent is noble 2ndCamaro79, GB has demonstrated many times he does not need anyone defending him. Based on your other posts, maybe he should offer to help you out in creating post with substance than simply empty bravado.. Your posts are giving the site a huge black eye for the most part.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by jroc7

Based on the laptimes, if these two cars went to that track and had a 350-mile race, the Camaro would beat the "best mustang ever made" by 3 laps! Think about that. And as for a 650-hp GT500, just look at the lap times of the ZR1 vs ZL1 at the ring from last year. The ZR1, with over 600 hp and much less weight and better aero wasn't that much faster when you take the length of one lap into account. The 2013 GT500 may be impressive in a straight line, but no one would take it in a fight with the ZR1, so with the same old Mustang lack of technology and refinement, all you're going to get is a lot of wasted energy from the motor. Power means nothing if you can't put it down. Besides, if Ford gets to brag about the Shelby-enhanced Mustang, I'm sure SLP, Lingenfelter, or any of those guys would be more than happy to take on anything Carol Shelby or Jack Roush can crap out. If its the best car that rolls out of Dearborn vs the best car that rolls out of Oshawa, I'll take GM everytime.

I'd take the Boss 302 versus the ZL1 in a 350 mile race. Not only would the ZL1 need to pit for fuel multiple times versus the Boss, I doubt it would be able to keep a consistent pace for that long. It's a known fact that S/C'd cars are going to heat soak much more than an n/a motor and that means it will get slower over time.

Look, the ZL1 is a great product and currently sets the bar for modern pony/muscle car performance, I'm in no way trying to take anything away from it, but the idea that it is somehow God's gift to motorsports makes me laugh to no end. It's not, nor is the Boss 302 nor is the GT500. Some of you rant to put a cape on it and call it Superman!

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I think the SLP cars are fair game, they work with GM pretty close. They have a relationship a lot like AMG and Benz. SLP far more than a tuner or marketing division.

SLP cars ARE NOT (entirely) made by GM. GT500s are entirely made by Ford. End of story.

[csendlak]

"modern cyborg warhorse" - Motor Trend on the ZL1

[motorhead]

WHAT'S LEFT TO SAY. THE ZL1 BLEW THE DOORS OFF OF THE TOP BOSS RACE CAR. FACTS ARE FACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by motorhead

WHAT'S LEFT TO SAY. THE ZL1 BLEW THE DOORS OFF OF THE TOP BOSS RACE CAR. FACTS ARE FACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by mgoodbar

GT-500 hmm.. im not worried. the 2011 GT-500 only beat a SS in the 1/4 by 2 10's.. Adding power to a GT-500 is not going to help the matter.. Funny how people get upset when some folks test a car's.. no one said anything when they put a GT-500 up against a SS.. but they put a ZL1 against a 302.. and it OMG look how un fair that is..

You have to admit,a naturally aspirated lil 302ci powered car keeping up and running only 3 tenths and 3 mph behind a 6.2liter supercharged beast is very very impressive !!!

[eolson]

Drop the Live axel ford! Do it! Do it! Do it! Erik

[htron50]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

You have to admit,a naturally aspirated lil 302ci powered car keeping up and running only 3 tenths and 3 mph behind a 6.2liter supercharged beast is very very impressive !!!

I especially like the rear seat delete, roll cage, and the fact it is underrated and weighs hundreds of less pounds. But since you want to just compare numbers... I forgot, who beat the best mustang to date? Oh yeah, ZL1, my bad. I can't believe I am being drawn into this dhammit.

Dittos on the Modern Cyborg Warhorse! IF only the naysayers might have had that said about them instead of how their latest greatest of all time mustangs was a Generation Behind!