New NHRA rules?? roll cage

[GretchenGotGrowl]

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

No trolls here. I'm sure it's 1/4th mile. I'm going to be, however, doing too many mods to list so quickly but as a brief overview, I'm going to be putting in a new:
-Engine, LSX 454 from TSP
- 6l80E tranny ,custom built, from PATC
-Whipple W175FF from Phastek
-New exhaust
-New suspension
-Meth/water injection system from Snow Performance

End result will be probably the meanest 5th gen in the West, with over 2000 horses, and it's all gonna be street legal.

All this I can believe... but a 7 sec 5th Gen that is street legal mmmm no. ARH has been at it a long time to finally hit low 7's. Good luck.

[Pro Stock John]

I help with a car that used to run 7.40's in the 1/4, and the combo you stated will never run that with the parts you listed.

[Merc]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

It sounds like the solution for the super fast guys is to run 1/8th mile or 1K feet and shut it down before the traps. If the rules don't explicitly state an 1/8th mile requirement they can't kick you out for it.

Use a track rental in the fall to go for new bests.

To the poster wanting to run 7.4 in the quarter you need a fully certified cage setup and a BUNCH of other safety equipment. (Unless you mean 7.4 in the 1/8th)

Cheers
Chris

Actually I believe NHRA list's the 1/8 mile equivalents in the book some where...................but the track would have to be on there game and notice how fast you are running in the 1/8. So they could send you packing as well. I know that will be my plan once I put cam and heads on Pumpkin in my attempt to make the 10 second club. Once it looks good to the 1/8 I'll run Pumpkin out the back door for the time slip and then they will boot me.

[Chrispy]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

No trolls here. I'm sure it's 1/4th mile. I'm going to be, however, doing too many mods to list so quickly but as a brief overview, I'm going to be putting in a new:
-Engine, LSX 454 from TSP
- 6l80E tranny ,custom built, from PATC
-Whipple W175FF from Phastek
-New exhaust
-New suspension
-Meth/water injection system from Snow Performance

End result will be probably the meanest 5th gen in the West, with over 2000 horses, and it's all gonna be street legal.

I'm not sure if you're kidding or not but there is no way you'll run 7.4s with that setup.

[BplumCrazy-SS]

Originally Posted by Chrispy

I'm not sure if you're kidding or not but there is no way you'll run 7.4s with that setup.

he will be lucky if he gets to finish a run with that 6L80 lol

[mrvenicess]

I've read numerous times that the LSX454 is not very good for boost. Would think some one building a 2,000hp car would know that!

[Powellbr]

Originally Posted by BplumCrazy-SS

he will be lucky if he gets to finish a run with that 6L80 lol

Did you all miss the part about custom built from PATC?

[Chrispy]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

Did you all miss the part about custom built from PATC?

I didn't miss it.

A built 6L80E won't hold mid 7s in a 4000 plus pound car. (Which is easily what your raceweight will be with a 7 second legal cage and full safety equipment)

You're going to need a fully built TH400 or Powerglide and all kinds of power management.

Personally I think you need radically adjust your ET/mph goals with that combo or plan a different combo altogether.

BTW - I'm not trying to flame you just introducing a bit of realism to the discussion.

[2013 ZL1 #7860]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

No trolls here. I'm sure it's 1/4th mile. I'm going to be, however, doing too many mods to list so quickly but as a brief overview, I'm going to be putting in a new:
-Engine, LSX 454 from TSP
- 6l80E tranny ,custom built, from PATC
-Whipple W175FF from Phastek
-New exhaust
-New suspension
-Meth/water injection system from Snow Performance
-Tranny fluid cooler from Mishimoto
-Oil cooler from Mishimoto
-Pair of baffled oil catch cans from Mishimoto, one on foul side of PCV system, one on fresh side of PCV system

End result will be probably the meanest 5th gen in the West, with over 2000 horses, and it's all gonna be street legal.

Are you going to order parts from Japan for this setup?

You might need 2- LSX 454's to get 2,000hp...

To the topic:

The NHRA rules as shown above are vague and don't help us much for 3 reasons:

1. They directly reference the "street Legal Series by AAA" when referencing the roll cage rule for 2008 and newer cars.
Not many people will be racing in that particular class (as I have never heard of it and neither has my track).
If you plan on racing in other events and classes then the old rules may still apply.

2. The word unaltered could mean anything.

3. Each track and tech inspectors will probably enforce the rule differently so what applies today at one track might not apply the next day at a different track (or even the same track).

NHRA (and drag racing in general) needs to simplify the rule system and join us in the 21st century.
Stock Camaros can be quicker than 1/2 the average race cars on the strip from the 60's.

Many other rules are simply being ignored in modern cars.
Rear battery box and shut off on oem rear battery.
Driveshaft loops on a 2 piece driveshaft that isn't even viewable from the under the car and or torque tubes, mid engines, awd, etc.
Use of launch control in certain points classes.
The list is endless...

If NHRA plans on having modern cars pay to race on the strip in the future then they need to modify the rules based on the generation of the car and its OEM equipment.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

Did you all miss the part about custom built from PATC?

No but we saw the 7.4 sec in a 5th Gen...

Quite sure it's going to be a bad ass ride though.

[BplumCrazy-SS]

Originally Posted by Powellbr

Did you all miss the part about custom built from PATC?

A 6l80 will NEVER hold 2000 hp no matter who builds it

[2013 ZL1 #7860]

Originally Posted by BplumCrazy-SS

A 6l80 will NEVER hold 2000 hp no matter who builds it

Even if it is built with hopes and dreams?

[Powellbr]

Ok, when I posted that question I only meant to find out what kind of cage I will need, not to get tore a new one.

Originally Posted by Chrispy

I didn't miss it.

A built 6L80E won't hold mid 7s in a 4000 plus pound car. (Which is easily what your raceweight will be with a 7 second legal cage and full safety equipment)

You're going to need a fully built TH400 or Powerglide and all kinds of power management.

Personally I think you need radically adjust your ET/mph goals with that combo or plan a different combo altogether.

BTW - I'm not trying to flame you just introducing a bit of realism to the discussion.

I did rethink it a little bit. I've gone from a 454 LSX to a 427 LSX ,which according to djpeolosi, will hold up to 30 psi of boost.