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hammdo · 08-29-2018, 08:40 PM

Rodney wrote back and gave me some suggestions -- one I didn't think about was the plug gap -- I'm currently @ .031 but Rodney suggested .026-.028 with my spraying...

I'll run this a bit but, I'll be buying another set of plugs to keep handy just for that...

-Don

hammdo · 08-29-2018, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABADZL1

So, your making it quiet inside for the wife?

Ah, she's deaf already -- every time I talk to her, I have to repeat myself several times ;o)...

Anyway, this is for me ;o)

-Don

QUICRNU · 08-29-2018, 10:20 PM

Delrin's be singin!

hammdo · 08-29-2018, 10:57 PM

Yep.. gotta try it ;o)

-Don

hammdo · 08-30-2018, 01:08 AM

The 3M really quieted down the noise! Really surprised how much. Wife enjoyed it too.

I have quite a bit left so, I'm going to do the trunk area a bit.

Car is running fantastic and now, need to work on WOT for the street with Meth...

Having tuning software really keeps this thing interesting...

-Don

hammdo · 08-31-2018, 01:09 PM

Logged again last night -- did an adjustment -- Mark and I are tag teaming to work out a good street tune.

I've notice that the AEM remote LED goes on/off vs staying on steady (showing the pumps running). I can see in the log its spraying -- .65 Lambda says so -- need to work that with AEM.

Love this kit though. I'm spinning the blower pretty good and its managing the temps well.

Normally, I'd shift @ 5800 RPMs but did a few in higher RPMs just to see where temps are. Lots of testing still to do.

I'll be swapping out the plugs as Rodney recommends .026-.028 so that is the task this weekend while tweaking the street tune and meth controller settings...

-Don

hammdo · 08-31-2018, 05:08 PM

Ordered autometer dual gauge pod, AEM meth flow gauge. I want to be sure of the meth flow AND be able to log it.

Just what needs to be done at this point....

-Don

hammdo · 08-31-2018, 11:27 PM

Wanted to show the IAT2 temps using 50/50 Meth (Boost Juice):

Yes, almost 7K RPM -- I actually shifted @ 6500 and this time it was a bit slow to shift so I'll need to remember to shift much sooner...

Still, this really shows even spinning the blower that much, IAT2 temps are cool...

-Don

hammdo · 08-31-2018, 11:43 PM

Here is a before pic:

That is about 25° more and ~300 RPM less -- boost is about the same.

All of this is before we adjust the Lambda for meth...

-Don

hammdo · 09-01-2018, 07:59 PM

So, new plugs gapped to .028 and updated tune installed. Next test is to see if Lambda is closer to .78 and continue to tweak...

Got the Autometer dual pod a pillar... gonna see how that works out next once the gauge gets here...

Then see about adding timing ;o)

-Don

hammdo · 09-03-2018, 11:36 AM

Mark and I touched up the MAF Curve up to 11,550 Hz (removed 2% -- From the logging, I don't get much above 10k Hz so this is a good stopping point).

I'll do another run when weather is not 'wet' and this should get me very close to done.

I think I'll leave timing alone for now and test this for a while before anything else.

I want the flow gauge in before pushing things -- just to be certain the 'on/off/on' of the LED is just a glitch...

Here is the log I had 'before' the new tune adjustments -- very close:

-Don

hammdo · 09-03-2018, 03:37 PM

So, Mark took a bit of time to teach me how the 'timing' is setup.

Since I use E85 (or close), These tables determine overall timing:

High Octane (HO) Table -- sets the 'floor' of the timing (base if not running E-85 -- say just 93 only):

Next, since I'm running corn, these 2 tables come into play:

So, taking the HO spark (12°), then using the Flex Fuel Multiplier and the Flex Fuel Spark Table -- figuring on a 75% blend of E, we add this to the HO Spark:

Assuming a 5000 RPM, we will be using 12° @ 1.36 Spark Air Mass from the HO table, then .80 @ 6° from the Flex Fuel Spark table (same 1.36, 5000 RPM) and then multiply 6° *.80 = 4.8° (rounded up to 5°) so this is where the 17° of timing comes from:

So, when I decide to test the timing, I'll update the HO table in the 1.36 range only and do my testing there - in the 3400-6800 RPM range - per Mark’s suggestion.

Thanks again Mark (ABADZL1) for the lesson!

-Don

h018871 · 09-04-2018, 02:08 PM

Good info
Thx Don!

hammdo · 09-05-2018, 10:32 AM

Anytime!

Took it out last night, I added 3° of timing in the 1.36 (3400-6800 RPM) row and boy could feel the difference! Still tweaking MAF. Mark gave me some areas to ck and I tweaked them - adding 2% in 8.7k to 9.1k range, and removing 2% from 9.3k up to 11.55k...

Very close!

Meth flow gauge will be here tomorrow so, another weekend project....

-Don

08-29-2018, 08:40 PM	#2227
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Rodney wrote back and gave me some suggestions -- one I didn't think about was the plug gap -- I'm currently @ .031 but Rodney suggested .026-.028 with my spraying... I'll run this a bit but, I'll be buying another set of plugs to keep handy just for that... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-29-2018, 10:20 PM	#2229
QUICRNU Drives: Z06 wannabe Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 1,200	Delrin's be singin! __________________ Apex Focused

08-29-2018, 10:57 PM	#2230
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Yep.. gotta try it ;o) -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-30-2018, 01:08 AM	#2231
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	The 3M really quieted down the noise! Really surprised how much. Wife enjoyed it too. I have quite a bit left so, I'm going to do the trunk area a bit. Car is running fantastic and now, need to work on WOT for the street with Meth... Having tuning software really keeps this thing interesting... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-31-2018, 01:09 PM	#2232
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Logged again last night -- did an adjustment -- Mark and I are tag teaming to work out a good street tune. I've notice that the AEM remote LED goes on/off vs staying on steady (showing the pumps running). I can see in the log its spraying -- .65 Lambda says so -- need to work that with AEM. Love this kit though. I'm spinning the blower pretty good and its managing the temps well. Normally, I'd shift @ 5800 RPMs but did a few in higher RPMs just to see where temps are. Lots of testing still to do. I'll be swapping out the plugs as Rodney recommends .026-.028 so that is the task this weekend while tweaking the street tune and meth controller settings... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-31-2018, 05:08 PM	#2233
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Ordered autometer dual gauge pod, AEM meth flow gauge. I want to be sure of the meth flow AND be able to log it. Just what needs to be done at this point.... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-31-2018, 11:27 PM	#2234
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	LSA ProMeth Install Test Cont. Wanted to show the IAT2 temps using 50/50 Meth (Boost Juice): Yes, almost 7K RPM -- I actually shifted @ 6500 and this time it was a bit slow to shift so I'll need to remember to shift much sooner... Still, this really shows even spinning the blower that much, IAT2 temps are cool... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

08-31-2018, 11:43 PM	#2235
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	LSA ProMeth Install Test Cont. Here is a before pic: That is about 25° more and ~300 RPM less -- boost is about the same. All of this is before we adjust the Lambda for meth... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577 Last edited by hammdo; 09-01-2018 at 12:07 AM.

09-01-2018, 07:59 PM	#2236
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	So, new plugs gapped to .028 and updated tune installed. Next test is to see if Lambda is closer to .78 and continue to tweak... Got the Autometer dual pod a pillar... gonna see how that works out next once the gauge gets here... Then see about adding timing ;o) -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

09-03-2018, 11:36 AM	#2237
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	LSA ProMeth Install Test Cont. Mark and I touched up the MAF Curve up to 11,550 Hz (removed 2% -- From the logging, I don't get much above 10k Hz so this is a good stopping point). I'll do another run when weather is not 'wet' and this should get me very close to done. I think I'll leave timing alone for now and test this for a while before anything else. I want the flow gauge in before pushing things -- just to be certain the 'on/off/on' of the LED is just a glitch... Here is the log I had 'before' the new tune adjustments -- very close: -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

09-03-2018, 03:37 PM	#2238
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	LSA ProMeth Install Test Cont. So, Mark took a bit of time to teach me how the 'timing' is setup. Since I use E85 (or close), These tables determine overall timing: High Octane (HO) Table -- sets the 'floor' of the timing (base if not running E-85 -- say just 93 only): Next, since I'm running corn, these 2 tables come into play: So, taking the HO spark (12°), then using the Flex Fuel Multiplier and the Flex Fuel Spark Table -- figuring on a 75% blend of E, we add this to the HO Spark: Assuming a 5000 RPM, we will be using 12° @ 1.36 Spark Air Mass from the HO table, then .80 @ 6° from the Flex Fuel Spark table (same 1.36, 5000 RPM) and then multiply 6° .80 = 4.8° (rounded up to 5°) so this is where the 17° of timing comes from: So, when I decide to test the timing, I'll update the HO table in the 1.36 range only and do my testing there - in the 3400-6800 RPM range - per Mark’s suggestion. Thanks again Mark (ABADZL1) for the lesson! -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ* "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577 Last edited by hammdo; 09-03-2018 at 05:25 PM.

09-04-2018, 02:08 PM	#2239
h018871 Geoff Drives: 2022 SS 1LE Join Date: May 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 1,768	Good info Thx Don! __________________ Having a Blast https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...php?p=10741733

09-05-2018, 10:32 AM	#2240
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,709 View My Garage	Anytime! Took it out last night, I added 3° of timing in the 1.36 (3400-6800 RPM) row and boy could feel the difference! Still tweaking MAF. Mark gave me some areas to ck and I tweaked them - adding 2% in 8.7k to 9.1k range, and removing 2% from 9.3k up to 11.55k... Very close! Meth flow gauge will be here tomorrow so, another weekend project.... -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577