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GEEo · 07-01-2011, 07:38 PM

I dont think Chrysler is trying to compete with the GT500 with this car.

I've personally driven booth these cars the 392 Challenger and the SVT GT500. and as far as what I experienced driving both this car's theres nothing similar to them.

The GT500 is FAST, sporty, loud, stiff, harsh, and really feels like a sports car.

The 392 Challenger is fast, laid back, smooth ride, tamed sound, comfortable, and it's more of like a cruiser not a hardcore sports car feel. IMO driving the 392 felt like driving a four door family sedan.

JusticePete · 07-01-2011, 07:46 PM

We set the date for our Petty Challenger run at VIR -- July 25th. It doesn't drive like a four door family sedan

GMRULZ · 07-01-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GEEo

IMO driving the 392 felt like driving a four door family sedan.

Thats because it is a 4 door family sedan (Dodge Charger) reskinned for 2 doors,

and I must say a much sexier appearance!

*DGthe3* · 07-01-2011, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaroshark

The 5.7 v8 only jumped 9hp from my wife's 2010 challenger to 379hp in 2011....

The 6.2 srt8 went to 420hp and the 392 srt8 is at 470hp....

All out of the box....

Yes, and?

The comment I was responding to had nothing to do with hp

bmwdon · 07-02-2011, 06:45 AM

my challenger weighed in at 4450 with me in it, I weigh 210. it feels like a big ass car, because she is a big ass car, all dimensions excede the camaro/mustang I'm pretty sure, height, weight, width, length. it would probably have a "nimble" feeling if you shed 1000lbs. it should be in the same class as the other pony cars, but even though it looks like it is, it truly isn't. it's a E-class with american motor and skin.

JusticePete · 07-02-2011, 11:03 AM

Technically the LX chassis is superior in both geometry and execution to the Camaro and Mustang. Both the Challenger and Camaro have excellent IRS. I give the advantage to the Camaro for a superior differential mounting design. They are head and shoulders above the three arm solid axle Mustang. In front the leader is the LX with a wishbone style UCA as opposed to the Camaro with BMW like Virtual Pivot design. The Mustang is dead last with arms similar to those used in the 1968 Mustang.

Weight really hurts the Challenger, but there are a couple of other issues with the vehicle. Out of the three, the LX has the least robust monocoque. This show in the front towers where substantial flex leads to a wide range of dynamic alignment changes in mundane driving. We have resolved this in our Petty car with Petty chassis braces front and rear along with sub-frame connectors. With the monocoque stable the suspension work better.

In the Camaro and Mustang there are a couple of bushes that can be replaced to significantly increase performance. None of the bushes on the Camaro are prone to tearing. On the Mustang you'll fin the Rear Front LCA bush tears when the car is driven hard in a limited number of miles i.e. autocross. In the LX there are multiple bushes that wear and tear rapidly not to mention a very large bumpsteer issue.

Just like the NBA with height, you can't coach weight on the track, but we can cheat a little bit. A Challenger with a full. Pedders bush kit drive like it is at least 1,000 pounds lighter. lower and corner weight it and it gets better. Add stab bars and we are really close to dialed. Fit 305/30/19 Bridgestone RE-11s on Forgeline 19x10.5s all around and cheat a bit of the front offset to increase the track and we have a very very good car.

We'll run it at VIR and post the results. We think it will be an eye opener.

AZ MSCL · 07-02-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

...Weight really hurts the Challenger, but there are a couple of other issues with the vehicle.

And weight is the Camaro's friend? Aren't we talking 200-300 lbs difference? Even the GM lovin' car rags say the Camaro's weight hurts it.

Then again, this is a Camaro website.

Amenti · 07-02-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ MSCL

And weight is the Camaro's friend? Aren't we talking 200-300 lbs difference? Even the GM lovin' car rags say the Camaro's weight hurts it.

Then again, this is a Camaro website.

He was talking primarily about the LX chassis on which the Challenger is built; so, mentioning the widely-known fact that the Camaro's weight also hurts it would be an unnecessary contribution to the discussion. He even prefaced his post with the statement that the Challenger's LX chassis possesses certain superior characteristics.

Your post comes off as overly defensive without cause, especially when directed at a neutral third party who creates excellent suspension products for the Camaro, Challenger and Mustang. We all acknowledge Camaro weight issues; but, the Challenger is even heavier.

JusticePete · 07-02-2011, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amenti

He was talking primarily about the LX chassis on which the Challenger is built; so, mentioning the widely-known fact that the Camaro's weight also hurts it would be an unnecessary contribution to the discussion. He even prefaced his post with the statement that the Challenger's LX chassis possesses certain superior characteristics.

Your post comes off as overly defensive without cause, especially when directed at a neutral third party who creates excellent suspension products for the Camaro, Challenger and Mustang. We all acknowledge Camaro weight issues; but, the Challenger is even heavier.

JusticePete · 07-02-2011, 07:58 PM

FY!: Our Camaro hit the track at 4,180 including the driver. The Mustang is almost 300 pounds less with the same driver. We are not quite done with the Challenger, but it will be heavier than the Camaro even with a Petty tubular front cradle.

AZ MSCL · 07-02-2011, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Sorry, having a bad day. No offense intended.

DerbyChamp06 · 07-03-2011, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Technically the LX chassis is superior in both geometry and execution to the Camaro and Mustang. Both the Challenger and Camaro have excellent IRS. I give the advantage to the Camaro for a superior differential mounting design. They are head and shoulders above the three arm solid axle Mustang. In front the leader is the LX with a wishbone style UCA as opposed to the Camaro with BMW like Virtual Pivot design. The Mustang is dead last with arms similar to those used in the 1968 Mustang.

Weight really hurts the Challenger, but there are a couple of other issues with the vehicle. Out of the three, the LX has the least robust monocoque. This show in the front towers where substantial flex leads to a wide range of dynamic alignment changes in mundane driving. We have resolved this in our Petty car with Petty chassis braces front and rear along with sub-frame connectors. With the monocoque stable the suspension work better.

In the Camaro and Mustang there are a couple of bushes that can be replaced to significantly increase performance. None of the bushes on the Camaro are prone to tearing. On the Mustang you'll fin the Rear Front LCA bush tears when the car is driven hard in a limited number of miles i.e. autocross. In the LX there are multiple bushes that wear and tear rapidly not to mention a very large bumpsteer issue.

Just like the NBA with height, you can't coach weight on the track, but we can cheat a little bit. A Challenger with a full. Pedders bush kit drive like it is at least 1,000 pounds lighter. lower and corner weight it and it gets better. Add stab bars and we are really close to dialed. Fit 305/30/19 Bridgestone RE-11s on Forgeline 19x10.5s all around and cheat a bit of the front offset to increase the track and we have a very very good car.

We'll run it at VIR and post the results. We think it will be an eye opener.

Very interesting/insightful info. Thanks for sharing. With my bad back, I went with 10' Challenger SE over Camaro 1LT for slightly more comfortable ride....I've found it great on the highway, but still too firm on bumpy secondary roads. Any mods available to improve ride quality?

bmwdon · 07-03-2011, 09:48 AM

you've already got the softest suspension available with the SE model I think, not sure if you're going to get any softer a ride available.

Camaroshark · 07-03-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Yes, and?

The comment I was responding to had nothing to do with hp

And it has a weight issue, car ... Not wife... It leans a lot in cornering... More than I'd like.

The best description I can give is the feel of the challenger is more of a "cruise" sedan feel than a muscle car feel. It's a fun car to drive and I like its look a lot. No issues so far with anything on the car at all... But what goes wrong in 6 months??

07-02-2011, 06:45 AM	#243
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	my challenger weighed in at 4450 with me in it, I weigh 210. it feels like a big ass car, because she is a big ass car, all dimensions excede the camaro/mustang I'm pretty sure, height, weight, width, length. it would probably have a "nimble" feeling if you shed 1000lbs. it should be in the same class as the other pony cars, but even though it looks like it is, it truly isn't. it's a E-class with american motor and skin. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

07-03-2011, 09:48 AM	#251
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	you've already got the softest suspension available with the SE model I think, not sure if you're going to get any softer a ride available. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

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07-01-2011, 07:38 PM	#239
GEEo OKCamaros Drives: 4 banger Diesel Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Philippines Posts: 4,572	I dont think Chrysler is trying to compete with the GT500 with this car. I've personally driven booth these cars the 392 Challenger and the SVT GT500. and as far as what I experienced driving both this car's theres nothing similar to them. The GT500 is FAST, sporty, loud, stiff, harsh, and really feels like a sports car. The 392 Challenger is fast, laid back, smooth ride, tamed sound, comfortable, and it's more of like a cruiser not a hardcore sports car feel. IMO driving the 392 felt like driving a four door family sedan.

07-01-2011, 07:46 PM	#240
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,170	We set the date for our Petty Challenger run at VIR -- July 25th. It doesn't drive like a four door family sedan

07-02-2011, 11:03 AM	#244
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,170	Technically the LX chassis is superior in both geometry and execution to the Camaro and Mustang. Both the Challenger and Camaro have excellent IRS. I give the advantage to the Camaro for a superior differential mounting design. They are head and shoulders above the three arm solid axle Mustang. In front the leader is the LX with a wishbone style UCA as opposed to the Camaro with BMW like Virtual Pivot design. The Mustang is dead last with arms similar to those used in the 1968 Mustang. Weight really hurts the Challenger, but there are a couple of other issues with the vehicle. Out of the three, the LX has the least robust monocoque. This show in the front towers where substantial flex leads to a wide range of dynamic alignment changes in mundane driving. We have resolved this in our Petty car with Petty chassis braces front and rear along with sub-frame connectors. With the monocoque stable the suspension work better. In the Camaro and Mustang there are a couple of bushes that can be replaced to significantly increase performance. None of the bushes on the Camaro are prone to tearing. On the Mustang you'll fin the Rear Front LCA bush tears when the car is driven hard in a limited number of miles i.e. autocross. In the LX there are multiple bushes that wear and tear rapidly not to mention a very large bumpsteer issue. Just like the NBA with height, you can't coach weight on the track, but we can cheat a little bit. A Challenger with a full. Pedders bush kit drive like it is at least 1,000 pounds lighter. lower and corner weight it and it gets better. Add stab bars and we are really close to dialed. Fit 305/30/19 Bridgestone RE-11s on Forgeline 19x10.5s all around and cheat a bit of the front offset to increase the track and we have a very very good car. We'll run it at VIR and post the results. We think it will be an eye opener.

07-02-2011, 07:58 PM	#248
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,170	FY!: Our Camaro hit the track at 4,180 including the driver. The Mustang is almost 300 pounds less with the same driver. We are not quite done with the Challenger, but it will be heavier than the Camaro even with a Petty tubular front cradle.