Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

One other thought:

For those who want to go very fast in a straight line - and don't necessarily care about twisties.......our friends at SLP Engineering are building their version of the ZL1 right now - at well over 750HP..........

Don't send the black SUV's after me, but reading between the lines, that sounds like an admission that you expect the GT500 will outperform the ZL1 straight-line times.

And, BTW Scott, you and the entire crew built and delivered us a hell of a Camaro!

[racebum]

Well said FBodFather!!! I have a 2010 SS Hennessey 600 that has been modified firm the front bumper to the back....suspension, brakes, wheels, tires,transmission, exhaust, rear end and I am madly in love with it. First of all I want to say that REAL men turn left and right. Used to do the 1/4 mile, but on a trip from Orlando, Fl to San Antonio, Tx to do a drag race fo Hennessey in my 1997 Hennessey 650 Viper that ran a 10:47 at 139 mph, I realized I was going to travel 2600 miles and drive my Viper for a whole minute and 4 seconds! Figured there had to be a better way to have fun in my car, so I was quickly introduced to road course racing. Fell in love with it!

When I first heard that Chevy was bringing the ZL1 out, I couldn't see why I would want one because of my Hennessey Camaro that I will have to the day I die. I also had a 2010 ZR1 Corvette. My wife has a 2011 CTS V Coupe and over the Christmas holiday I drove it a lot and I want to say that GM did an awesome job. It is a sweet high performance ride. I started reading stuff and watching videos on the ZL1 and came to the conclusion that after experiencing the active handling on the ZR1 and the handling and ride and power of the CTS V that the ZL1 is going to incorporate the best of both cars, it will be a most AMAZING monster I have ever owned (and that is a huge number). It is going to be a high performance luxury car with great handling.

My opinion, the majority of people on this forum don't have any idea of what they will be getting..it will handle like a purpose built race car, have huge power and ride like a luxury car....what else could you want? Any car can go straight line fast...put nitrous on one and see, but real men turn left and right.

I agree with you FBodFather, just wait and be delighted!!!!

SHIP MY CAR NOW!!!!

RACEBUM

[radz28]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Don't send the black SUV's after me, but reading between the lines, that sounds like an admission that you expect the GT500 will outperform the ZL1 straight-line times.

And, BTW Scott, you and the entire crew built and delivered us a hell of a Camaro!

You can't argue 650 horse' is faster than 580 in some regimes... That doesn't mean we're stuck with 580 until the next generation though... maybe... please don't let it mean that, lol.

I wonder about that over-rev' feature on the GT500. Does that mean it might function similarly to like the overboost functions on the supercars; like don't the GTR and a 911 have that feature or something where you get extra boost for a matter of seconds or something?...

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

*looks around innocently*


Who?

Me???



(Thor makes me do it....)

Yes you....

Any more tidbits you can torture us with?

[evolve]

Originally Posted by radz28

You can't argue 650 horse' is faster than 580 in some regimes... That doesn't mean we're stuck with 580 until the next generation though... maybe... please don't let it mean that, lol.

I wonder about that over-rev' feature on the GT500. Does that mean it might function similarly to like the overboost functions on the supercars; like don't the GTR and a 911 have that feature or something where you get extra boost for a matter of seconds or something?...

The OR feature raises the redline to 7k from 6250 and adds 20 hp. So at 7k rpm it makes 670 hp.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Don't send the black SUV's after me, but reading between the lines, that sounds like an admission that you expect the GT500 will outperform the ZL1 straight-line times.

I don't read anything regarding the GT500 in Scott's words. I believe that Scott simply made the point that if all that one really cares about is going very fast in a straight line with a ZL1, then a version can be obtained from SLP (or Hennessey at 1000 HP) that will do so.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Don't send the black SUV's after me, but reading between the lines, that sounds like an admission that you expect the GT500 will outperform the ZL1 straight-line times.

And, BTW Scott, you and the entire crew built and delivered us a hell of a Camaro!

There is no doubt in my mind Ford will find a way to make the 2013 Shelby at least a tenth of a second quicker than the ZL1. They will probably buy a ZL1 (test it to death) and finally release the the Shelby once it is faster. That is just the luxury you have when you chasing the leader! All that being said Ford has their work cut out for them. Spend some time looking at the 1/4 mile tests of the Shelby. Everyone who tests the thing has MAJOR problems. When Motor Trend tested a regular 2010 SS vs the Shelby the SS broke out to a lead. Yes you are reading that right, a SS was beating a Shelby for a few seconds. If the SS did that what would the ZL1 do to it? Now we know Ford will try to fix this, but at what cost to the consumer? After they finish working that out they have to figure out how to make the thing handle like a true sports car. Again what will be the cost of all this research and development?? We know Shelby does not have the answer the Super Snake may have the biggest traction problems.

Again Ford is chasing the Leader in hopes of catching the Living Legend the ZL1. One quick note about straight line speed. If 3.8 seconds to sixty and a 12 flat 1/4 mile are not good enough for you, yes check out SLP! MotorWeek TV has tested some of their beasts in the past and they hook up and GO (Can't wait to see what they do with the ZL1)!! All that being said the ZL1 is seriously quick in a straight line. Don't think so, just look at the competition behind you.

[Blown355]

Originally Posted by PQ

WHP or BHP?

770 bhp.
614 rwhp 644 rwtq.
12.1@122

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by Blown355

770 bhp.
614 rwhp 644 rwtq.
12.1@122

Are those the SLP numbers?? I know the SLP585 with 585 bhp ran a 11.5 @122mph on MotorWeek TV.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

There is no doubt in my mind Ford will find a way to make the 2013 Shelby at least a tenth of a second quicker than the ZL1. They will probably buy a ZL1 (test it to death) and finally release the the Shelby once it is faster. That is just the luxury you have when you chasing the leader! All that being said Ford has their work cut out for them. Spend some time looking at the 1/4 mile tests of the Shelby. Everyone who tests the thing has MAJOR problems. When Motor Trend tested a regular 2010 SS vs the Shelby the SS broke out to a lead. Yes you are reading that right, a SS was beating a Shelby for a few seconds. If the SS did that what would the ZL1 do to it? Now we know Ford will try to fix this, but at what cost to the consumer? After they finish working that out they have to figure out how to make the thing handle like a true sports car. Again what will be the cost of all this research and development?? We know Shelby does not have the answer the Super Snake may have the biggest traction problems.

Again Ford is chasing the Leader in hopes of catching the Living Legend the ZL1. One quick note about straight line speed. If 3.8 seconds to sixty and a 12 flat 1/4 mile are not good enough for you, yes check out SLP! MotorWeek TV has tested some of their beasts in the past and they hook up and GO (Can't wait to see what they do with the ZL1)!! All that being said the ZL1 is seriously quick in a straight line. Don't think so, just look at the competition behind you.

Every post you make is full of fail. "chasing the leader" blah blah blah. Were you born yesterday or did you just miss the part where it was said the ZL1's target is the GT500...so with that statement, who chased who? Don't get me wrong, I love both cars and I am a bigger Camaro fan than I am a Mustang fan (owned 6 Camaros...1 Shelby) but narrow-minded misinformed posts like yours is simply just a bunch of I guarantee you, your big mouth will be shut when the #s for the GT500 are out. For me, that doesn't matter because the ZL1 is what I want, not the 2013 GT500.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Every post you make is full of fail. "chasing the leader" blah blah blah. Were you born yesterday or did you just miss the part where it was said the ZL1's target is the GT500...so with that statement, who chased who? Don't get me wrong, I love both cars and I am a bigger Camaro fan than I am a Mustang fan (owned 6 Camaros...1 Shelby) but narrow-minded misinformed posts like yours is simply just a bunch of I guarantee you, your big mouth will be shut when the #s for the GT500 are out. For me, that doesn't matter because the ZL1 is what I want, not the 2013 GT500.

Lets start with the 4th gen Camaro shall we. It lead in performance till 2002 when it was discontinued. In 2003/2004 SVT finally came out with a fast Cobra. Now lets move forward to 2010. Ford mustang GT weak 4.6 motor, Camaro SS blows it away. Ford brings out the 5.0 in 2011 to keep up once again. Chevy brings out the ZL1, Ford waits till its numbers are released (Classy Move) and says they have a 650HP Shelby. If that is not chasing the leader what is ?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by evolve

The OR feature raises the redline to 7k from 6250 and adds 20 hp. So at 7k rpm it makes 670 hp.

I get that. So - why not make redline 7000? That makes me think it's because it's not intended to remain at that speed for that long. It's fine if it doesn't, and it makes me think that's why they're quoting 650 for power production. Maybe it's to underrate it, like it seems they're doing with the LS, but I'm only curious. It doesn't matter too much to me yet

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by zero

I can`t say I am blown away or excited about the ZL1 now that tests are out.
Sorry it doesn`t live up to all the hype. The boss is more impressive IMO with less motor.

Prepare for MAJOR upset and butt hurt when they test it against the new GT500.

Blue oval guys are gonna have a holiday with ZL1

People will interpret what they will especially those who are going to purchase this vehicle.

First off, I really like Camaro and although I feel like the 2010 SS fell far short of expectations, (now that all the details are out) they (GM) did an overall good job with the ZL1. The engine internals & compression, clutch, tranny, DS, diff. / gears, and axles should have been part of the base on the SS and all the other options like the SC, hood, front end body, MRT, rear chassi, et al. could have been the upgrade to the ZL1

My interpretation of the results are; The ZL1 is a good road course track vehicle definately has superior handling in that area with all the beefed up hardware. Althogh it'll do a decent high 11's, it's not designed for drag racing so if anyone wants better than that or single digit numbers they'll just have to mod the shit out of an SS (like you see all over this thread), or buy a ZL1 and mod the crap out of that too.

However, with that said although it cleary has the Mustang beat, IMO the numbers aren't all that impressive in comparison, therefore most likely the ZL1 will lose same race with the 2013 Mustang GT500 considering at 650hp. that's a whopping 70hp. gain and then this OR things tosses on an exta 20hp. just before you shift that thing in high RPM's (if the Tremac tranny doesn't stick).

Interesting to see what GM does for 2013+, whatever they do it had better be pretty epic and perhaps some corporate espionage is necessary to keep one step ahead of Ford. :-)

[PQ]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

People will interpret what they will especially those who are going to purchase this vehicle.

First off, I really like Camaro and although I feel like the 2010 SS fell far short of expectations, (now that all the details are out) they (GM) did an overall good job with the ZL1. The engine internals & compression, clutch, tranny, DS, diff. / gears, and axles should have been part of the base on the SS and all the other options like the SC, hood, front end body, MRT, rear chassi, et al. could have been the upgrade to the ZL1

My interpretation of the results are; The ZL1 is a good road course track vehicle definately has superior handling in that area with all the beefed up hardware. Althogh it'll do a decent high 11's, it's not designed for drag racing so if anyone wants better than that or single digit numbers they'll just have to mod the shit out of an SS (like you see all over this thread), or buy a ZL1 and mod the crap out of that too.

However, with that said although it cleary has the Mustang beat, IMO the numbers aren't all that impressive in comparison, therefore most likely the ZL1 will lose same race with the 2013 Mustang GT500 considering at 650hp. that's a whopping 70hp. gain.

Interesting to see what GM does for 2013+, whatever they do it had better be pretty epic and perhaps some corporate espionage is necessary to keep one step ahead of Ford. :-)

Good post.

I'll say this though...... The horse power war can't and won't last much longer. 800 hp Mustangs and Camaros off the assembly line WILL NOT HAPPEN.

One of these companies is gonna have to start the expansion of more than raw power. Gearing, suspension, balance, tires, etc............ to get faster that way. Much the way the lighter foreign cars stand up at the track with less power.

I think Maybe that's what GM has done here. Kinda like a gorilla drives a golf ball 450 yards but the problem is he puts the same way. Let the Mustang guys drive the ball and the Camaro guys can use ALL the car and not just raw power.

Ya? No?