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A-little-perspective · 06-28-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

Make sure you post up those order numbers so we can help you track them.

That would be my choice. There is no way she would go for the ZL1 or GT500 for that matter.

She would go for something more luxurious, european, and it would have to be automatic.

Bob Cosby · 06-28-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by oortcloud

And the prices too.

I got mine for 57,800 all options including nav and the gg tax.

It's amazing how many mods the gt500 needs to keep up with the zl1.

base 55k
pp 3.5k
tp 3k
recaros 1.5k

And now we see it needs a brake upgrade too. Have fun

Depends on the venue. For a road course....agreed (though ZL1 doesn't have a Recaro option, so you can drop that one). For the drag strip, no options needed. For daily driving/cruising/etc? I'll take a base model, please.

though if I have to spend my own money, I'll probably save a few grand and go with a Boss 302...

shaffe · 06-28-2012, 10:12 AM

I think the Ford guys on this site just want to see some respect that the GT500 is a very formidable opponent for the ZL1 where ever the meet.

It has done just about everything either GM said it wouldnt be able to do, or the hype machine for the ZL1 said that the GT500 couldnt do.

AL O. ZL1 will be faster to 60. Nope
GT500 wont be able to put power down- Obliterated the ZL1 in the 1/4, and IIRC Probst said it puts power down better than any LRA car should be able to.

Then its the GT500 is a one trick pony and is only good for 1/4 mile blasts, it handles like a brick and can't turn to save its life so it won't be able to touch the ZL1 on a roadcourse.

Its posted faster lap times on two different tracks, tied with it on another and lost on one by 7/10 of a second. I would say thats more then hanging with, I would say thats right there with it, on a outdated chassis, outdated suspension, and as we have seen now in the mag reviews suspect brakes. Now I agree the ZL1 will be the more track ready/friendly vehicle bc of the advanced suspension, brakes etc. And I also understand why the mags gave the nod to the ZL1, its a fantastic car

Then I hear oh put that extra money into the ZL1 and see what happens, well if GM had option packages Im sure they would have. these are stock cars being compared here, so toss that argument out.

Then I see compare the ZR-1 to the GT500, totally different class of cars, price range etc etc.

I even saw in a different thread that its not fair to compare the GT500 to the ZL1 bc its not a production car

I don't even know what to say to that haha.

I know this is a GM forum and there is a natural hatred for Ford hahaha, but stop calling the GT500 a straightline only vehicle. I think the tests have shown it can more then hold its own on a roadcourse,

*radz28* · 06-28-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I think the Ford guys on this site just want to see some respect that the GT500 is a very formidable opponent for the ZL1 where ever the meet.

It has done just about everything either GM said it wouldnt be able to do, or the hype machine for the ZL1 said that the GT500 couldnt do.

AL O. ZL1 will be faster to 60. Nope
GT500 wont be able to put power down- Obliterated the ZL1 in the 1/4, and IIRC Probst said it puts power down better than any LRA car should be able to.

Then its the GT500 is a one trick pony and is only good for 1/4 mile blasts, it handles like a brick and can't turn to save its life so it won't be able to touch the ZL1 on a roadcourse.

Its posted faster lap times on two different tracks, tied with it on another and lost on one by 7/10 of a second. I would say thats more then hanging with, I would say thats right there with it, on a outdated chassis, outdated suspension, and as we have seen now in the mag reviews suspect brakes. Now I agree the ZL1 will be the more track ready/friendly vehicle bc of the advanced suspension, brakes etc. And I also understand why the mags gave the nod to the ZL1, its a fantastic car

Then I hear oh put that extra money into the ZL1 and see what happens, well if GM had option packages Im sure they would have. these are stock cars being compared here, so toss that argument out.

Then I see compare the ZR-1 to the GT500, totally different class of cars, price range etc etc.

I even saw in a different thread that its not fair to compare the GT500 to the ZL1 bc its not a production car

I don't even know what to say to that haha.

I know this is a GM forum and there is a natural hatred for Ford hahaha, but stop calling the GT500 a straightline only vehicle. I think the tests have shown it can more then hold its own on a roadcourse,

There's no hatred for Ford here, in general, but when so many of the Ford-faithful come here, and troll - it just ain't gonna' fly. Not everyone who speaks against GM, Chevy, CAMARO, or ZL1 are enemies. However - there has to be respect shown, and those that have, are in the minority. If there are people that dont' like that, they don't have to be here.

IMO - for me - I like the input from many of the remaining Ford, AND and non-brand-biased guys. The Ford faithful, that take time to remain respectful and make valid points are those that I have the highest respect for. The rest - not so much. And those won't be here much longer...

oortcloud · 06-28-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Depends on the venue. For a road course....agreed (though ZL1 doesn't have a Recaro option, so you can drop that one). For the drag strip, no options needed. For daily driving/cruising/etc? I'll take a base model, please.

though if I have to spend my own money, I'll probably save a few grand and go with a Boss 302...

Yeah I'm talking about the road course. The recaros are a performance option, albeit an expensive one. They are included in every performance test I've seen. So I don't feel its appropriate to drop them in my cost comparison.

Betiwin · 06-28-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I think the Ford guys on this site just want to see some respect that the GT500 is a very formidable opponent for the ZL1 where ever the meet.

It has done just about everything either GM said it wouldnt be able to do, or the hype machine for the ZL1 said that the GT500 couldnt do.

AL O. ZL1 will be faster to 60. Nope
GT500 wont be able to put power down- Obliterated the ZL1 in the 1/4, and IIRC Probst said it puts power down better than any LRA car should be able to.

Then its the GT500 is a one trick pony and is only good for 1/4 mile blasts, it handles like a brick and can't turn to save its life so it won't be able to touch the ZL1 on a roadcourse.

Its posted faster lap times on two different tracks, tied with it on another and lost on one by 7/10 of a second. I would say thats more then hanging with, I would say thats right there with it, on a outdated chassis, outdated suspension, and as we have seen now in the mag reviews suspect brakes. Now I agree the ZL1 will be the more track ready/friendly vehicle bc of the advanced suspension, brakes etc. And I also understand why the mags gave the nod to the ZL1, its a fantastic car

Then I hear oh put that extra money into the ZL1 and see what happens, well if GM had option packages Im sure they would have. these are stock cars being compared here, so toss that argument out.

Then I see compare the ZR-1 to the GT500, totally different class of cars, price range etc etc.

I even saw in a different thread that its not fair to compare the GT500 to the ZL1 bc its not a production car

I don't even know what to say to that haha.

I know this is a GM forum and there is a natural hatred for Ford hahaha, but stop calling the GT500 a straightline only vehicle. I think the tests have shown it can more then hold its own on a roadcourse,

Seems Randy even thinks its (GT500) the better track car with brakes. Would love to see some different pads, fluid and dryer ducting put on. Most likely all of $400 dollars in parts none of which would have anything to with the warranty. Randy really makes the stang look like a handling machine actually.

On the ZL1 you can totally see how balanced the car is. No body roll what so ever. Brakes must be awesome (Same as CTS-V correct?) as you can see the smile on his face.

Drag strip looked bad from every angle. I think both cars look great and the Z has the better stance.

Great Video MT!

doc7000 · 06-28-2012, 10:30 AM

I am some what sad to see that Motor Trend did for the test data what some rags do. It looks as though they didn't record new 0-60 and 1/4mile times (as well as the other data). Instead they used data from previous test and just ran with it, was hoping to get some same day test data.

Still, Camaro won and for exactly the same reason that the other car mags stated except some shocks. It came down on the track to a lack of brake cooling ducts on the GT500 which caused the brakes to over heat. You know that Ford is back to adding some brake cooling ducts to the car, I know if I was Ford I would be.

shaffe · 06-28-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by radz28

There's no hatred for Ford here, in general, but when so many of the Ford-faithful come here, and troll - it just ain't gonna' fly. Not everyone who speaks against GM, Chevy, CAMARO, or ZL1 are enemies. However - there has to be respect shown, and those that have, are in the minority. If there are people that dont' like that, they don't have to be here.

IMO - for me - I like the input from many of the remaining Ford, AND and non-brand-biased guys. The Ford faithful, that take time to remain respectful and make valid points are those that I have the highest respect for. The rest - not so much. And those won't be here much longer...

Thats me haha. I may prefer Ford right now, but I grew up GM. I love performance cars and love reasonable debate lol. It was just making me mad I kept seeing the GT500 cant do this, this, this, or that. Then the tests come out and it does this this this and that better than anyone expected. And yet its still a one trick pony to many here.

72MachOne99GT · 06-28-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Setting aside rabid fanboys on both the Ford and Chevy camps, who here would want both of these cars if they had the money, space or very understanding spouse?

Not to be that guy, but... If I had the money I'd have two GT500s. Just a ford guy.

Zl1 seems to be much more forgiving however, no question.

Bob Cosby · 06-28-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oortcloud

Yeah I'm talking about the road course. The recaros are a performance option, albeit an expensive one. They are included in every performance test I've seen. So I don't feel its appropriate to drop them in my cost comparison.

It's your comparison, so you make the rules! Whether or not I disagree is pretty much irrelevant.

As far as *my* comparison goes...different story...

mikeyroche · 06-28-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Car class to car class. Always been fairest.

Thats debatable. With Fords decision to go for max HP... they essentially put the GT500 in a higher class. So really the GT500 should be facing say a Z06 or ZR1. Ford tried to make a super car, well the ZL1 is not a super car. Its a supercharged muscle car you can take to the track. The Z06 is a track/racing supercar. And the ZR1 is Chevy's top dog. If your going to put the GT500 up for fair competition, well it won't be against the ZL1

*radz28* · 06-28-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Thats me haha. I may prefer Ford right now, but I grew up GM. I love performance cars and love reasonable debate lol. It was just making me mad I kept seeing the GT500 cant do this, this, this, or that. Then the tests come out and it does this this this and that better than anyone expected. And yet its still a one trick pony to many here.

Perhaps both camps have eaten a little humble pie in at least one way or another over the latest battle

I just noticed Randy also drove it almost 2-seconds faster in this test than in the Boss test. It was nice to hear some more comments regarding the balance, turn-in, and so on.

alyssasdad · 06-28-2012, 10:53 AM

Anybody who has ever gone to test and tune night at their local drag strip or has done any drag racing on the street has seen, MANY TIMES, The car with less power(A LOT LESS in some cases) walk off and leave more powerful cars!! A race(any kind of race) with cars at this level is going to come down to the driver, plain and simple.Some people(Im not saying everybody) get so bent out of shape over these tests, and they dont even own either of these cars!!! Or have any plans or $$$ to buy one of them anyway!!!! Both of these cars are awesome. Im just glad we all have the choice of both these great cars made by American car companies!! Just my 2cents

shaffe · 06-28-2012, 10:59 AM

well said. When I had my 04 Mustang GT witha couple bolt ons, I was able to beat a couple LS2 GTOs at a test n tune one day. Only reason why was b/c the few I beat the owners could not drive. Later that day raced an Auto GTO and got what I knew was coming, and that was watching the GTO walk away from me lol

Driver Mod-best mod ever lol.

06-28-2012, 10:53 AM	#251
alyssasdad Go VOLS!!!!! Drives: ZL1 #1344 VR, M6 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ardmore,Al. Posts: 279	Anybody who has ever gone to test and tune night at their local drag strip or has done any drag racing on the street has seen, MANY TIMES, The car with less power(A LOT LESS in some cases) walk off and leave more powerful cars!! A race(any kind of race) with cars at this level is going to come down to the driver, plain and simple.Some people(Im not saying everybody) get so bent out of shape over these tests, and they dont even own either of these cars!!! Or have any plans or $$$ to buy one of them anyway!!!! Both of these cars are awesome. Im just glad we all have the choice of both these great cars made by American car companies!! Just my 2cents __________________ 1.GOD 2.Family 3.Camaro........& the TENNESSEE VOLS!!!

06-28-2012, 10:12 AM	#241
shaffe Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Carol Stream Posts: 6,044	I think the Ford guys on this site just want to see some respect that the GT500 is a very formidable opponent for the ZL1 where ever the meet. It has done just about everything either GM said it wouldnt be able to do, or the hype machine for the ZL1 said that the GT500 couldnt do. AL O. ZL1 will be faster to 60. Nope GT500 wont be able to put power down- Obliterated the ZL1 in the 1/4, and IIRC Probst said it puts power down better than any LRA car should be able to. Then its the GT500 is a one trick pony and is only good for 1/4 mile blasts, it handles like a brick and can't turn to save its life so it won't be able to touch the ZL1 on a roadcourse. Its posted faster lap times on two different tracks, tied with it on another and lost on one by 7/10 of a second. I would say thats more then hanging with, I would say thats right there with it, on a outdated chassis, outdated suspension, and as we have seen now in the mag reviews suspect brakes. Now I agree the ZL1 will be the more track ready/friendly vehicle bc of the advanced suspension, brakes etc. And I also understand why the mags gave the nod to the ZL1, its a fantastic car Then I hear oh put that extra money into the ZL1 and see what happens, well if GM had option packages Im sure they would have. these are stock cars being compared here, so toss that argument out. Then I see compare the ZR-1 to the GT500, totally different class of cars, price range etc etc. I even saw in a different thread that its not fair to compare the GT500 to the ZL1 bc its not a production car I don't even know what to say to that haha. I know this is a GM forum and there is a natural hatred for Ford hahaha, but stop calling the GT500 a straightline only vehicle. I think the tests have shown it can more then hold its own on a roadcourse,

06-28-2012, 10:30 AM	#245
doc7000 Drives: 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Lomita,CA Posts: 806	I am some what sad to see that Motor Trend did for the test data what some rags do. It looks as though they didn't record new 0-60 and 1/4mile times (as well as the other data). Instead they used data from previous test and just ran with it, was hoping to get some same day test data. Still, Camaro won and for exactly the same reason that the other car mags stated except some shocks. It came down on the track to a lack of brake cooling ducts on the GT500 which caused the brakes to over heat. You know that Ford is back to adding some brake cooling ducts to the car, I know if I was Ford I would be.

06-28-2012, 10:59 AM	#252
shaffe Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Carol Stream Posts: 6,044	well said. When I had my 04 Mustang GT witha couple bolt ons, I was able to beat a couple LS2 GTOs at a test n tune one day. Only reason why was b/c the few I beat the owners could not drive. Later that day raced an Auto GTO and got what I knew was coming, and that was watching the GTO walk away from me lol Driver Mod-best mod ever lol.