The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[wbt]

Originally Posted by BigDan

I could care less who the best driver is. The best ET should determine the winning CAR.

May the quickest car win

So far every dual ive seen has ford in the lead 3-0. infact I could be the offical stock vs stock online score keeper.

Really...how many Camaro/Mustangs have you lined up since the 2011 Mustang fodder released?

Post your personal vids running both against each other. We would all love to see it.

I own both 2010 versions. I am not biased towards one or the other.

You take a similarly geared Camaro and 2011 Mustang GT, line them up, and it is a drivers race. You don't believe that then you are beyond helping.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by BigDan

I could care less who the best driver is. The best ET should determine the winning CAR.

May the quickest car win

So far every dual ive seen has ford in the lead 3-0. infact I could be the offical stock vs stock online score keeper.

april fools right?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by fazm

guess you missed the part where the ecoboost isnt part of the mustang development lol.

Well according to the artical I read Ford is going across the board with ecoboost engines by 2016... It's how they plan on getting to the 35MPG EPA standard by then...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Car and driver got a 13 flat at 111 in their first short take road test with the SS. From what it looks like so far just about anyone can run a 13 flat with the camaro and trap 110-111.

Wow...so now we have it looking like the camaro may not be slower at all. 3 tests so far. Edmunds both 13.0 with the camaro slightly higher traps. Motor trend 12.9 camaro 12.8 mustang. Now we have car and driver which shows the camaro with a .2 advantage and a 2 mph advantage.

So far the camaro looks a bit faster actually.

How many more tests before we can stop hearing the trash talk? Or does the car and driver test have less credit than the motor trend test? Either way this looks like one of the closest battles in history when it comes to the 1320.

this is priceless

If I am not mistaken it was basically the car in every test, all this proves is the different quality of driving from mag to mag, the only thing that is going to prove anything is when they test both on the same day at the same track, period..........

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

True, and I agree...but I will say that this new Camaro team seems to be the kind of folks who constantly strive for perfection, regardless of previous successes. They are extraordinary people.

True, but I just don't think they could overcome the time issue either, they need to design, test, get certified for emmisions and sae certified. That is one main reason I see 12 at the earliest. Not to mention the fact the price for the developmement is going to end up in the bottome line for the customer, imho from a business sense, horrible idea as one of the Camaros greatest strengths is it's strong value message.

[Bowtie Guy Z28]

That thing dyno'd at 395 to the wheels and it's "rated" at 412....my ass! 12-15% loss from the crank would mean this thing should be rated at 449-465. 200 + lbs lighter, 3.73 gears and it's neck and neck with the Camaro..... I know I'd be expecting more if Camaro's set up was this and it couldn't walk away from the Mustang.

[LSwon]

Originally Posted by Stew

If I am not mistaken it was basically the car in every test, all this proves is the different quality of driving from mag to mag, the only thing that is going to prove anything is when they test both on the same day at the same track, period..........

Exactly..Fellas, Car and Driver and MT run cars in ALL sorts of conditions. They ran the 13 flat times @ 111mph in the Camaro on a regular street with GPS equipment!! That's far from accurate when compared to a real track..

You can't compare track times unless they're pitted against each other at the same track in the same conditions.

Some of you're taking this a little too seriously, so what the new Mustang GT will likely be faster. There is always something faster coming out.

The only advantage I can see that the Camaro has is the LS3 creates a broader powerband. Otherwise the new Mustang GT has every other possible advantage.

Almost 300lbs lighter
Better gearing
Smaller & lighter tires
Solid rear axle
More power on the dyno

We could bench race all day, but line them up and I seriously doubt the Camaro will stand a chance. It's just simple physics.

Now lets hope Chevy ups the game for the new Camaro. The LS3 is a very versatile motor, it won't be hard to make a 2012 Camaro beat up on the latest 5.0 GT.

[LSwon]

Originally Posted by Bowtie Guy Z28

That thing dyno'd at 395 to the wheels and it's "rated" at 412....my ass! 12-15% loss from the crank would mean this thing should be rated at 449-465. 200 + lbs lighter, 3.73 gears and it's neck and neck with the Camaro..... I know I'd be expecting more if Camaro's set up was this and it couldn't walk away from the Mustang.

Those numbers are bullshit, they put it on a dyno that reads high. In my opinion it will only be slightly underrated, (370-380rwhp stock).

[GQ4Life]

they dynoed in 4th gear 1.32:1 and got like 390wHP
so who knows.. everyone saying if u dynoing in lower gear in dynojet you get a lower number.. so who knows..
someone saying a magazine ran 12.8 maybe they were bench racing the car.. who knows..
car could be over rated for now.. its not out for production yet.. no one knows..
we just have to wait and see

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Stew

If I am not mistaken it was basically the car in every test, all this proves is the different quality of driving from mag to mag, the only thing that is going to prove anything is when they test both on the same day at the same track, period..........

Yeah 3 different tests with 3 different drivers in 3 different conditions. Yet this means nothing eh?

I take it the only individual test you will acknowledge will be when a ford mag rips the shit out of one for a half of a day and ices the intake with Evan Smith behind the wheel? Or some other genetically engineered driver they get to drive those mustangs in the ford mags lol.

And so when they have a same day same driver tests why would that be definitive? I can think of many reason to discredit this as well. The main reason being biased reviews. Also becuase one driver is good in a certain car does not mean he will be equally as good in another. Also...just one or even two tests will not be enough. They would have to do about 6 or 7 different tests head to head before it would even start to hold ground at all.

So in all fairness I think that looking at three separate reviews...and thorwing the ETS out the window...one look at the trap speed shows these cars are a dead heat. You cant honestly believe that out of all 3 of these tests it is just a coincidence or that all 3 were in worse conditions and or driver than the camaro.

So if by some chance they run a road test in another mag besides motor trend and only run a 13 flat in the mustang and a 12.9 in the camaro your not going to say something like "motor trend ran a 12.8 so they suck"

I am betting you will try and discredit this as well even though it is same track same day etc.

The arguing will never stop with cars being this close. And one will always twist the point to better accommodate ones argument/point of view. Much like me and you have been doing over the past couple days

[KILLER74Z28]

[LSwon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yeah 3 different tests with 3 different drivers in 3 different conditions. Yet this means nothing eh?

Actually it was 2 tests, both with GPS equipment on the street. It means something, but it doesn't mean you can start comparing it to other times..

I take it the only individual test you will acknowledge will be when a ford mag rips the shit out of one for a half of a day and ices the intake with Evan Smith behind the wheel? Or some other genetically engineered driver they get to drive those mustangs in the ford mags lol.

It's the same thing when people claim 12.6s with a stock Camaro lol..Neither time is realistic. That's why it's only fair to compare when BOTH cars line up against each other in the same conditions at the same track. That will tell the whole story.

And so when they have a same day same driver tests why would that be definitive? I can think of many reason to discredit this as well. The main reason being biased reviews. Also becuase one driver is good in a certain car does not mean he will be equally as good in another. Also...just one or even two tests will not be enough. They would have to do about 6 or 7 different tests head to head before it would even start to hold ground at all.

I agree, and that we will see. The only test we had thus far is two automatic cars. In fairness the Mustang GT isn't even out yet, give it time.

So in all fairness I think that looking at three separate reviews...and thorwing the ETS out the window...one look at the trap speed shows these cars are a dead heat. You cant honestly believe that out of all 3 of these tests it is just a coincidence or that all 3 were in worse conditions and or driver than the camaro.

Give it time man...Like I said the car hasn't even been released yet and you have no clue what conditions the car was run in. BTW, you keep saying 3 tests, it was only 2. One a 12.8@110mph and one a 13.x@109mph.

So if by some chance they run a road test in another mag besides motor trend and only run a 13 flat in the mustang and a 12.9 in the camaro your not going to say something like "motor trend ran a 12.8 so they suck"

I am betting you will try and discredit this as well even though it is same track same day etc.

If they run both of them side by side that would be great. But we don't need motor trend to do that for us. There will plenty of videos to watch of these two cars going at it.

[0-60n4.6]

the trap speeds dont have anything to do with it...i dont know why you gm guys always look at trap speed...with the 3:73 gears in the mustang and its still trapping 110 is crazy this tells me its going to be a very good low end car and a monster top end car aswell....i dont thing that ford has ever had a mustang gt that can run with a camaro on the top end 100+....we should all be excited about how much more fun the streets and strip are going to be because of what ford is doing which is joing the party and soak this in

[nhra stocker]

Originally Posted by LSwon

It's the same thing when people claim 12.6s with a stock Camaro lol..Neither time is realistic.

Claim?