ABL (ambient lighting) limited to the doors only?

[StoutFiles]

the problem with people like you is that you have no faith in the people who have been building this car day in and day out over the past 3 years.

This isn't Magic Dream Land where everything you hope for comes true. This is the real world where the economy is awful, GM is on the verge of bankruptcy, and the only info coming out of showrooms right now from presenters is that ABL is now limited to the doors.

Faith? You act like they're doing me a favor by making this car? Wrong sir...I'm doing them a favor by buying this car. Camaro is not a religion or a god, it's just a car. It's a car GM needs to build with everything they said would be there or people, regular people who GM needs to buy the car, will take their money elsewhere.

How can anyone complain when no one said ABL is not happening. I think I'll go kick my dog cause he might chew the lawn furniture sometime in the near future.

The reports are that it's happening in some half-assed way...if those reports were wrong than surely someone from GM would say something. Please read the thread next time before you comment.

[renderinfo]

ABL Limited to the doors? Still waiting for the "official" word.

At http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/ home page, picture 4, now THERE IS A PICTURE OF ABL THAT I LIKE! Yes, right on the "official" GM camaro site.

I pre-ordered, and did my best to order options that "would include" ABL, but nowhere did I see how to "specify" ABL, nor did I see what options said "includes ABL" or "everything in this lower level package +ABL". Even the GMPP catalog, and the "interior options" have no ABL ordering or pricing info. Will I be disappointed if I don't get ABL, or it's "only in the doors"? Heck Yes, I will be p!ssed. But am I going to cancel my order... ARE YOU CRAZY?!? The wait is killing me. My dealer knows nothing (every call is "call me in a few days and I'll have info for you") and since I'm a V6'r, I have NO CLUE except maybe before Oct. I'll even wind up paying extra later for ABL if I have to, cause that is one of the main things that attracted me to this car (I've never owned a camaro before).

I feel GM should make the announcement one way or another, and it looks like in a week and a half that may be coming. I hope it's good news. If not, seriously, how much will it matter to people who have not yet even heard of ABL? NONE. Only to us pre-orders, the more I think about it. If you haven't bought (preordered one) it yet, then ABL isn't a factor now. Nor do I beleive AT ALL that it will be the deciding factor of whether someone buys a new camaro or not, if they haven't already pre-ordered.

It's just that picture... Right on the GM site... Come on GM, tell us something real...

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

god you guys are whiney...


btw, using the argument "i paid for this waaaaa" is a silly one, no one's paid for their car as of yet and the under writting that actual production model will vary kinda goes in effect for this.

if the "drawbacks" of the camaro (hud, nav, hurst shifter, abl, etc etc) are too much for you guys to bare, just go elsewhere... you'll be missed but trust me, soon as you see one of those 100k camaros out on the road within a year or so of production; you'll be kicking yourself.

in the mean time, calm down and stop posting up every 3 days expecting some sort of revalation.

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

At what point would "etc,etc" dissapoint you? I've been trying to tell people here that everyone doesn't love the Camaro as much as the people on this forum; they won't put up with drawbacks. Just building a Camaro isn't enough, especially with an economy that gets worse everyday. They need every option they can get working right now.



Oh no, the Camaro only has 100 HP now! But they did say that actual production model will vary so oh well!

We've been over this before. That's for legal reasons, it's not there so we can't be dissapointed when they let us down. I don't get to sue GM, but I sill get to be pissed if they change up what they said they would deliver.

Originally Posted by bolteon593

99% of the people who will be driving this car wont even know what abl is if it doesn't exist when they sign the dotted line. same goes with all the other things that might not get in for launch, the only people will know is those building it and us, the ones who care enough to dig and search for info... the rest will just see a hot car with a happy driver.

the problem with people like you is that you have no faith in the people who have been building this car day in and day out over the past 3 years.

all things have been done to make this car everything and more then you thought it could have/would have been. whinnning and complaining otherwise is just about a direct insult to their work.


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yes, always have faith... but dont forget the other side of that statement: have some god damn understanding too.

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

This isn't Magic Dream Land where everything you hope for comes true. This is the real world where the economy is awful, GM is on the verge of bankruptcy, and the only info coming out of showrooms right now from presenters is that ABL is now limited to the doors.

Faith? You act like they're doing me a favor by making this car? Wrong sir...I'm doing them a favor by buying this car. Camaro is not a religion or a god, it's just a car. It's a car GM needs to build with everything they said would be there or people, regular people who GM needs to buy the car, will take their money elsewhere.



The reports are that it's happening in some half-assed way...if those reports were wrong than surely someone from GM would say something. Please read the thread next time before you comment.

Stout has it right here - I can't get my head around all those people who seem to have this attitude that dis-satisfied customers should just shut up and take whatever is given them. That they have no right to voice their dis-approval in either the communication process, or the fact that a feature they expected may or may not be available (wish I could say for sure but you just get rhetoric from GM instead of clarity). Some here believe customers should just be happy there is a Camaro. WRONG!!! GM should be happy there are still people who are willing to buy GM.

The customer is always right (even when they are wrong). What I mean by that is you have to always try and make them happy. You may get sick and tired of all the complaints or concerns but you know what? That will never stop regardless of what you are selling. Addressing those complaints or concerns is what makes a company better and the astute manager within that organization will use complaints and concerns to improve processes and products and thus make a positive impact to the bottom line.

[ezlock83]

I agree my order says nothing of ABL. Also if you will look at the chevy website and read the order catalog. There is nothing about ambiet lighting in the 2LT description and the picture that use to be on chevy.com of ambient lighting on the interior is not longer there. So its not a good sign. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[StoutFiles]

There is nothing about ambiet lighting in the 2LT description and the picture that use to be on chevy.com of ambient lighting on the interior is not longer there.

There is still a picture of ABL in all its original glory on picture 4 of the main page of their website. As long as that's there we have a slight glimmer of hope GM hasn't given up on it.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

There is still a picture of ABL in all its original glory on picture 4 of the main page of their website. As long as that's there we have a slight glimmer of hope GM hasn't given up on it.

I think the last guy that knew how to edit that site left the company back in October and now they can't change any of it

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by Hylton

Stout has it right here - I can't get my head around all those people who seem to have this attitude that dis-satisfied customers should just shut up and take whatever is given them. That they have no right to voice their dis-approval in either the communication process, or the fact that a feature they expected may or may not be available (wish I could say for sure but you just get rhetoric from GM instead of clarity). Some here believe customers should just be happy there is a Camaro. WRONG!!! GM should be happy there are still people who are willing to buy GM.

The customer is always right (even when they are wrong). What I mean by that is you have to always try and make them happy. You may get sick and tired of all the complaints or concerns but you know what? That will never stop regardless of what you are selling. Addressing those complaints or concerns is what makes a company better and the astute manager within that organization will use complaints and concerns to improve processes and products and thus make a positive impact to the bottom line.

+1

[ezlock83]

I am sorry sir but i disagree. I am not difficult and i am not trying to be a troll and complain and I am not a dis-satisfied customer. But when you order a car and preparing to invest a great deal of money on a car and that car is advertised to have certain things and you order it then when it comes out it doesn't have these certain things then yes i will voice my opinion. I am very excited about the Camaro and love the car i just have questions and concerns like most people who have ordered 2lt etc. So to say im complaining is wrong because i am not complaining just wanting to know if ambient lighting will be in my car

[PQ]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

I think the last guy that knew how to edit that site left the company back in October and now they can't change any of it

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Originally Posted by StoutFiles

The reports are that it's happening in some half-assed way...if those reports were wrong than surely someone from GM would say something. Please read the thread next time before you comment.

I've read the thread. I know what 'the reports' say.

So let me get this straight, I can't say something that has been said before? Really? If that were the case the thread would have died a long time ago, or not have been started. These threads are here because obviously people want to discuss them, I get it. I'm for it. I enjoy it.

How do you get offended so easily? My wife has the same problem sometimes. I was just making a comment. Which of my comments caused you to 'advise' me as to how and when to post? I thought it was funny. It was a joke. Have I broken any rules. If so, I appologise for you being so sensitive. If someone else has allready pissed you off that's not my fault. Deal with it.

I want the ABL to work like it appeared in the vid. too. If it doesn't, oh well. It won't bother me. It will bother you. That's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by ezlock83

I agree my order says nothing of ABL. Also if you will look at the chevy website and read the order catalog. There is nothing about ambiet lighting in the 2LT description and the picture that use to be on chevy.com of ambient lighting on the interior is not longer there. So its not a good sign. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Does your order say you get an oil dipstick or a radiator cap? I wholeheartedly agree that we the consumers have every right to voice our concerns over what the current status of ABL really is. That being said, with vehicles sitting at event code 3400 I would sure think Fbodfather would update us if the supposed problems weren't worked out. IMO, no news is good news and that's where I sit.

[StoutFiles]

It won't bother me. It will bother you. That's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

It will bother a lot of people. It will hurt sales and their credibility. GM as a company doing very poorly better have a problem with that.

I don't care that you made a joke, it just made no sense. You're comparing the ABL situation(many negative reports to zero positive) to a situation where we're getting mad with no evidence. I'm not getting mad that they haven't reported news about the glove box, but if there were reports that it was being left off I would start asking around.

[TJ91]

I really do think that if they dont offer what was promised, that it will effect their credibility. I think in their stae, that they will try their best to get it completed the way its supposed to, they better, or ill be one pissed but excited customer.

[transfrmn]

look we know they had it working in a good manner before and fbodfather said he wanted to to be perfect when they show the finish version so i trust them to have it right when i car comes out and there just letting us sweat a little lol

[PQ]

I guess I'm still waiting for anything that would hold up as to GM promising they will have it. As yet I haven't seen anything. THEY HAVE MADE NO PROMISES. All of the evidence, to me points to them planning it in the doors only. I think their trying to get it across the dash for the production model. But, "Pre-production model shown, Production models may vary" isn't on there for nothing. You may think that the people on this forum are in the majority but the number of people who are pissed about this right now PALE in comparison with the number of people who are going to buy this car, with or without ABL.

That being said, I would like it. I hope we get it. But if it doesn't have it, GM owes me nothing. They didn't ask me to order this car nobody ever told me I would have lights going all the way across the dash. Not in an official capacity.