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Old 02-16-2011, 08:49 PM   #253
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All this talk of "50k for a Camaro ruins it "( not a personal dig, btw) and that's just too much for a Camaro is a bit "off" in my opinion. It all comes down to this...People will spend their money they way that they see fit. This is not your fathers Camaro or even your brothers. This is an entirely new breed of Camaro made to compete with a new breed of Mustang. Pay to play, or don't play. This car's price will be within an earshot of a GT500.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:58 PM   #254
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All this talk of "50k for a Camaro ruins it "( not a personal dig, btw) and that's just too much for a Camaro is a bit "off" in my opinion. It all comes down to this...People will spend their money they way that they see fit. This is not your fathers Camaro or even your brothers. This is an entirely new breed of Camaro made to compete with a new breed of Mustang. Pay to play, or don't play. This car's price will be within an earshot of a GT500.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:06 AM   #255
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When comparing a modded SS to a ZL1....why would you have to bolt on a Supercharger?

Hurst Short Throw Shifter $319
Suspension upgrage (Hotchkis) $1,816
4 Gauge Pod $375
LG Motorsports G6X3 Kit $1,065
Full Exhaust(Oversteering Online) $1,000
Reprogram and Chassis Dyno $550
Cold Air Induction (AutoAgenda) $475

1SS $31,000
Mods $5600

Total; $36,600 minus taxes, destination charge, misc. costs

You would get close to the performance of the ZL1 I think with those mods and although there would be no warrenty...if you understand how to work on cars this is nothing more than a small annoyance.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:26 PM   #256
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And the best part is......... ITS ALL UNDER WARRANTY!!!
We'll maybe for a few days
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Old 02-17-2011, 02:47 PM   #257
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When comparing a modded SS to a ZL1....why would you have to bolt on a Supercharger?

Hurst Short Throw Shifter $319
Suspension upgrage (Hotchkis) $1,816
4 Gauge Pod $375
LG Motorsports G6X3 Kit $1,065
Full Exhaust(Oversteering Online) $1,000
Reprogram and Chassis Dyno $550
Cold Air Induction (AutoAgenda) $475

1SS $31,000
Mods $5600

Total; $36,600 minus taxes, destination charge, misc. costs

You would get close to the performance of the ZL1 I think with those mods and although there would be no warrenty...if you understand how to work on cars this is nothing more than a small annoyance.
You're forgetting the improved driveline.
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Old 02-17-2011, 03:34 PM   #258
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When comparing a modded SS to a ZL1....why would you have to bolt on a Supercharger?

Hurst Short Throw Shifter $319
Suspension upgrage (Hotchkis) $1,816
4 Gauge Pod $375
LG Motorsports G6X3 Kit $1,065
Full Exhaust(Oversteering Online) $1,000
Reprogram and Chassis Dyno $550
Cold Air Induction (AutoAgenda) $475

1SS $31,000
Mods $5600

Total; $36,600 minus taxes, destination charge, misc. costs

You would get close to the performance of the ZL1 I think with those mods and although there would be no warrenty...if you understand how to work on cars this is nothing more than a small annoyance.
How much for magnetic ride?
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Old 02-17-2011, 03:46 PM   #259
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You're forgetting the improved driveline.

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How much for magnetic ride?


And I do believe the axels/differential and all that other running gear transmission etc. is beefed up as well. If you wanted to match the Horsepower that's easy enough sure... but you are forgetting everything else. Plus the LSA is deck honed, and it's an LSA which can ultimately handle more power.

I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the same car for anywhere near what GM is going to do it for.
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Old 02-17-2011, 04:22 PM   #260
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It might start @ $47,000(which i highly doubt) but let's assume it does, add some "options", add tax/tags and you are easily well over $50,000+ , if not more..my bet is that GM will have a few "option" levels to pick from.. I'm betting this car will easily be a $55,000 ride...my guess.. and if you do decide to trade in your 2010/2011 Camaro and you still have alot left on your payoff, good luck with a reasonable monthly payment plan..this car is going to be Expensive for alot of folks..

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Old 02-17-2011, 04:27 PM   #261
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When comparing a modded SS to a ZL1....why would you have to bolt on a Supercharger?

Hurst Short Throw Shifter $319
Suspension upgrage (Hotchkis) $1,816
4 Gauge Pod $375
LG Motorsports G6X3 Kit $1,065
Full Exhaust(Oversteering Online) $1,000
Reprogram and Chassis Dyno $550
Cold Air Induction (AutoAgenda) $475

1SS $31,000
Mods $5600

Total; $36,600 minus taxes, destination charge, misc. costs

You would get close to the performance of the ZL1 I think with those mods and although there would be no warrenty...if you understand how to work on cars this is nothing more than a small annoyance.
Umm, yeah, the ZL1 would hand the above it's ass. Does it really matter though. We all strive to have this car on paper that is faster than whatever. Thing is, it's mainly just bragging rights, cause most never race the other guy to find out except for GTAHVIT vs PQ where PQ will have it handed to him.
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:23 PM   #262
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You cannot do the mods for the same price as the factory and do them right. The list does not include, brakes, half shafts or a differential. The rear control arms have better placement of the sway bar link brackets. As a starting point the LS1 is much farther along. My warranty will say bye-bye with a new pulley and tune. The numbers the CTS-V guys are getting at the RWs are impiressive to say the least. Any price around 50K is a bargain.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:29 PM   #263
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:10 AM   #264
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I understand the arguement you guys are making in respects to the driveline but I don't believe the components on the regular 1ss/2ss cars are all that bad to begin with. I also think the brakes are up to the task as well since they are pretty much what a lot of classic cars upgrade to for competition. As far as any car handing any other car it's ass, in my hobby I have seen '69 Camaros with Air Ride suspensions embarrass the living hell out of ZO6 Corvette's. It's not all about horsepower on a road coarse. And I think I could do those mods and do them right...I know how to Hot Rod cars, been doing it my whole life.

As long as you know what you're doing, you don't need all that fancy stuff for optimum performance or even durability.

At best the ZL1 is merely a car for people who either don't know how to do this stuff or don't want to be bothered. ....or maybe they're just terrified about their warranty.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:13 AM   #265
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Update: Fbodfather's response:





http://blog.caranddriver.com/2012-ch...-around-47000/

Car and Driver states:Even better than the $50,000 estimate!

Start saving your pennies. I am!

That's was his way of saying don't get your hopes up! LOL
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:18 AM   #266
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I understand the arguement you guys are making in respects to the driveline but I don't believe the components on the regular 1ss/2ss cars are all that bad to begin with. I also think the brakes are up to the task as well since they are pretty much what a lot of classic cars upgrade to for competition. As far as any car handing any other car it's ass, in my hobby I have seen '69 Camaros with Air Ride suspensions embarrass the living hell out of ZO6 Corvette's. It's not all about horsepower on a road coarse. And I think I could do those mods and do them right...I know how to Hot Rod cars, been doing it my whole life.

As long as you know what you're doing, you don't need all that fancy stuff for optimum performance or even durability.

At best the ZL1 is merely a car for people who either don't know how to do this stuff or don't want to be bothered. ....or maybe they're just terrified about their warranty.
Umm... no. Try again.
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