5.8L Shelby Engine confirmed

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by wbt

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If the board doesn't want non-owners here then the general auto and vs. sub-forums should be closed.

This is just my two cents...

Not necessarily; I would say that the whole point of these sections was for organization and not for broadening their target audience, such as Mustang/Corvette owners. It's obvious that not everyone in the world is 100% camaro-or-nothing, so it is inevitable that talk about other cars will arise from members who own a Gen 5 Camaro. Now, it is a lot better to place discussion about other cars into a section that is away from the general discussion of the Gen 5 Camaro instead of having 500 Mustang, Corvette, etc. threads cluttering the entire section and causing both new and old members searching for information on the Gen 5 Camaro to become discouraged and leave the site. Therefore, the creation of the sections were necessary, yet the creation of these sections does not explicitly invite owners of any other car to come here and chat about, for example, a Mustang.

The fact remains that this site is predominately a site focused on the Camaro. Consequently, if you have no interest in the car and only post "corrections" or information about another car, then you are being nothing other than disruptive and contrary to the intent of the site. Of course, I'm not denying that corrections need to be made, but they are usually corrected by fellow owners making this slew of trolls needless. In fact, I find it a little healthy to have a few "other car" owners, whom primarily post about the car the forum is supposed to represent and refrain from insulting those car owning members about their alleged misinformation, to keep the site at least interesting. The reason why they must primarily post about things that pertain to that particular car has to do with the point I made above, which was adding to the purpose of this site. If you act in the opposite manner, i.e., you post primarily about the car you own, then you are being disruptive and add nothing to the purpose of this site. Anyways, IMO, you are being downright stupid to think you are doing us a favor by "informing" us of the competition, and this is ironic to the extent that the same bias you accuse this forum's members of having is usually something yourself is victim of. To add even more irony to the situation, it is sometimes the ones whom intent it is to correct information about car actually spreads misinformation about their own car. Furthermore, it is obvious that the ones whom want to know information about the competition would visit different car forums and learn about that particular car from that particular forum. Just for clarification, no; you do not get to decide that a C5 member must be informed of his competition. In short, the sections are simply for organized discussion by Camaro owners about different cars.

On a side note, I believe the mod squad here is very lenient, considering the large amount of trolls they have to deal with. In fact, I would bet if I went to SVTperformance and started "correcting" the misinformation about the Camaro I would be banned in less than two days.

[PQ]

I've said it before....... I don't understand the need to give a shit what the other guy says.

I try to imagine myself on a Mustang forum and I can't see myself. I have no reason. I have visited to get info on the GT500 and the kind of power and times they were running. Even saw some misinformation about the Camaro. But I can't imagine why I'd need to sign in.

Unless..... I were thinkking of buying or knew some people there personaly or I had a Mustang myself.

Just my .02





Oh... shit..... that's right. IRS took my .02

Nevermind then.

[TAG UR IT]

Wow....lot going on here...

Originally Posted by PQ

So is 5.8L a 350?

I had a 350 on my old 73' Z-28. I loved that car.

I had a 350 in my old 77' Caprice Classic. Full boat of steel...and that boat MOVED.

Originally Posted by a_Username

On a side note, I believe the mod squad here is very lenient, considering the large amount of trolls they have to deal with. In fact, I would bet if I went to SVTperformance and started "correcting" the misinformation about the Camaro I would be banned in less than two days.

Thanks for the kind comment.

Truth be told...we do our best to be fair and civil...and maintain the integrity of the site (in all aspects). It's just that some people don't care for rules and think they can do what ever they want. Sad really...because a lot of those people would never act that way in real life. ...well...maybe they do, I don't know...

Regardless, I'm not a member on ANY Mustang site....or Challenger site...or any "other" vehicle site. I am a member of 4 or 5 other Camaro sites....but that's where it stops. My passion is CAMARO... That's it. DONE.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Anyways, IMO, you are being downright stupid to think you are doing us a favor by "informing" us of the competition, and this is ironic to the extent that the same bias you accuse this forum's members of having is usually something yourself is victim of. To add even more irony to the situation, it is sometimes the ones whom intent it is to correct information about car actually spreads misinformation about their own car.

Lol!

Back to the same inflammatory remarks I made a point about. Maybe I should report your post to the mods.... You are wrong and you don't like it. Fact is I post proof to back what I say up. When you make posts about this car or that can't possibly perform this well etc. you have to expect someone to call that out. There is a certain level of accountability that occurs. It sucks to get the short end of the stick and you have come up with it far too often in said discussions. It is a shame really as 90% of the members here are great to interact with and enjoy some poking with each other. It is the 10% that start the fires and spread the BS where the root of the problem lies.

Goes back to what I said in another thread:

"First they deny, then they fail."

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by wbt

Lol!

Back to the same inflammatory remarks I made a point about. Maybe I should report your post to the mods.... You are wrong and you don't like it. Fact is I post proof to back what I say up. When you make posts about this car or that can't possibly perform this well etc. you have to expect someone to call that out. There is a certain level of accountability that occurs. It sucks to get the short end of the stick and you have come up with it far too often in said discussions. It is a shame really as 90% of the members here are great to interact with and enjoy some poking with each other. It is the 10% that start the fires and spread the BS where the root of the problem lies.

Before I reply further, I'm curious to know as to why you only quoted that specific excerpt. Was it because you couldn't understand the rest? Or was it because you didn't have an answer for it? Judging by your past, it's hard for me to confidently say either one. Either way, you're delusional and simply can't comprehend someone's argument; that's why absolutely no one agreed with you in any of those threads. What proof? You repeatedly mention proof as if you ever had any. The most "proof" you ever had was posting pictures of headers on your photobucket account and posting individual videos in attempt to disprove an average, which is what I asserted (and everyone agreed with). Even in this post you never offered a rebuttal; you just can't stand someone giving a legitimate reason for you not to start trolling and spreading misinformation, such as R/Ts running low 13s more often than not. Anyways, run along and try to brush this off as "bench racing," or why don't you just go ahead and pick another random sentence out of this post to put in your sig?

Goes back to what I said in another thread:

"First they deny, then they fail."

This is beyond embarrassing for you, pal.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by PQ

I've said it before....... I don't understand the need to give a shit what the other guy says.

I try to imagine myself on a Mustang forum and I can't see myself. I have no reason. I have visited to get info on the GT500 and the kind of power and times they were running. Even saw some misinformation about the Camaro. But I can't imagine why I'd need to sign in.

Unless..... I were thinkking of buying or knew some people there personaly or I had a Mustang myself.

Just my .02




Oh... shit..... that's right. IRS took my .02

Nevermind then.

I think you have 2 types .. the car guys who love all types of cars and are not biased. They will post on all types of car forums.

Then you have the trolls that are definitely biased and post on other car forums just to troll and cause issues. Unfortunately those are the ones that ruin it for everyone ..

But it can go both ways .. you can have a car guy that loves all cars and posts on all forums but if they post pro anything for a car that isn't of that forum type, the nutswingers for that car chew them a new one and nothing constructive comes out of that post from then on!

A bit of both has happened in this thread and now we are WAY off topic!!

Crowley

[King Sun]

u guys still fall for wbt hijinks

[GTAHVIT]

thanks for the kind words guys.

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

You know, I am a big fan of both cars. I totally see your point in this matter though adn I agree. Like saying, please let us enjoy this one and don't rain on our ZL1 parade. Like a poker player behind after the turn, waiting for the river card to save his life screaming "One Time!"

exactly...

Originally Posted by Crowley

I think you have 2 types .. the car guys who love all types of cars and are not biased. They will post on all types of car forums.

Then you have the trolls that are definitely biased and post on other car forums just to troll and cause issues. Unfortunately those are the ones that ruin it for everyone ..

But it can go both ways .. you can have a car guy that loves all cars and posts on all forums but if they post pro anything for a car that isn't of that forum type, the nutswingers for that car chew them a new one and nothing constructive comes out of that post from then on!

A bit of both has happened in this thread and now we are WAY off topic!!

Crowley

Yep I agree, we aren't always as fair and balanced as we could be. But, we're always going to side with the camaro "fanboy" over a mustang "fanboy"

Not the most objective way to handle it but I think camaro owners expect to be able to go to a camaro site and do a little chest thumping...



But we've banned camaro owners for picking fights with mustang guys also...

But yes, you are right, it's hard to find that line of what is acceptable between the two sides.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

You know, I am a big fan of both cars. I totally see your point in this matter though adn I agree. Like saying, please let us enjoy this one and don't rain on our ZL1 parade. Like a poker player behind after the turn, waiting for the river card to save his life screaming "One Time!"

Originally Posted by Crowley

I think you have 2 types .. the car guys who love all types of cars and are not biased. They will post on all types of car forums.

Then you have the trolls that are definitely biased and post on other car forums just to troll and cause issues. Unfortunately those are the ones that ruin it for everyone ..

But it can go both ways .. you can have a car guy that loves all cars and posts on all forums but if they post pro anything for a car that isn't of that forum type, the nutswingers for that car chew them a new one and nothing constructive comes out of that post from then on!

A bit of both has happened in this thread and now we are WAY off topic!!

Crowley

You two are among the guys who I consider to LOVE cars in general that I get affraid of pushing away. I honestly respect people like you guys (I am a car-guy to a smaller extent) and DO honestly hope you don't take my comments directed to you. There seems to be a small faction here that likes to cause trouble and they deserve a different kind of attention.

I can't think of any posts that I didn't appreciate from you guys - and again - you aren't the only ones, just ones I see a lot

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

well I have several "fun" cars to choose from any time but now and again, I just like to chill in a "boring" car. A car nut a few houses from me has a ZR1, a Superformance Cobra, a 'cuda and a couple others in storage but guess what, he drives a prius almost daily to work. One day you'll understand.

Couldn't have said it better myself. With owning over 7 cars as on now ranging from 35000 to 210,000 I drive my 2007 v6 300 everyday and love it. I pull out the big guns when I do feel like playing. Its not about always showing off and not being boring, its just a sense of calm and relaxation.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by radz28

You two are among the guys who I consider to LOVE cars in general that I get affraid of pushing away. I honestly respect people like you guys (I am a car-guy to a smaller extent) and DO honestly hope you don't take my comments directed to you. There seems to be a small faction here that likes to cause trouble and they deserve a different kind of attention.

I can't think of any posts that I didn't appreciate from you guys - and again - you aren't the only ones, just ones I see a lot

Yes Crowly and FF corbra are great they are my type of guys. I really miss 1320 junkie because mannnn that guy knew and loved cars, I enjoyed talking with him. Also yes its nice to go to other sites and belong to them but some just aren't as enjoyable. Out of all the sites I'm a member of this is the ONLY site I come too weekly. My least favorite site I belong to is Ferrarichat and its because I can't stand how elite they act over there and talk down about people. This site has the members that I feel I have the most in common with.

Overall this is a great site, you as an individual just need to decide what you let bother you. As for the GT500 getting updated, I say great go for. And keep pushing other cars to react.

[ParisTNDude]

Unless Ford has an insider, they have no real clue as to the ZL1 performance data, so it might be a little difficult to match it. When one of the car magazines compared the HPE550 to the GT500, the Camaro whooped butt even though it was down on HP to the GT500. This should get very interesting in the next year or so. I bet the price of used GT500s drops significantly.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by radz28

You two are among the guys who I consider to LOVE cars in general that I get affraid of pushing away. I honestly respect people like you guys (I am a car-guy to a smaller extent) and DO honestly hope you don't take my comments directed to you. There seems to be a small faction here that likes to cause trouble and they deserve a different kind of attention.

I can't think of any posts that I didn't appreciate from you guys - and again - you aren't the only ones, just ones I see a lot

Thanks bro. I appreciate hearing that from a mod. I have let myself get carried away on a couple of occassions and I took my righteous spanking from the fair keepers of this Camaro realm.

There are a few of us around here who truly love cars. I for one, can sound biased for one or the other at times, depending on the post/thread I am specifically replying to or posting in but for the most part, I am an equal opportunity car-basher and car-praiser (per say). The difference between the types like me and the others is, I/we post in many threads and I actually enjoy helping out when I can in many troubleshooting/car problems threads whereas others seem to strictly just come here to shovel dirt onto the Camaro every chance they get.

Anyway, we have gone so off topic on this one. I say, give the ZL1 its due props and bring the 5.8 on. To me, it will always be a win-win no matter which one comes on top.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by wbt

Goes back to what I said in another thread:

"First they deny, then they fail."

If I were a mod you'd be done here with that comment right there.

You are primarily here to antagonize.

Originally Posted by Crowley

I think you have 2 types .. the car guys who love all types of cars and are not biased. They will post on all types of car forums.

Then you have the trolls that are definitely biased and post on other car forums just to troll and cause issues. Unfortunately those are the ones that ruin it for everyone ..

But it can go both ways .. you can have a car guy that loves all cars and posts on all forums but if they post pro anything for a car that isn't of that forum type, the nutswingers for that car chew them a new one and nothing constructive comes out of that post from then on!

A bit of both has happened in this thread and now we are WAY off topic!!

Crowley

Makes sense.

I am a car guy but I have always only had a real passion for one car. The rest is awesome and I've defended the Mustang all the way to the Nissan 350Z and such. I can see why some will be members of various car forums but I wouldn't do it just to defend my car against them or 'correct misinformation'.

I am a member of a Droid forum now though.

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Yep I agree, we aren't always as fair and balanced as we could be. But, we're always going to side with the camaro "fanboy" over a mustang "fanboy"

Not the most objective way to handle it but I think camaro owners expect to be able to go to a camaro site and do a little chest thumping...



But we've banned camaro owners for picking fights with mustang guys also...

But yes, you are right, it's hard to find that line of what is acceptable between the two sides.

This is a Camaro site. You guys hande it just fine. You have erred to the side of caution in favor of Mustang Trolls.

Me? I'd just ban the obvious. My criteria would be how many posts of theirs are in the rest of the forum. And what type of participation are those posts.

But that's me.

Originally Posted by radz28

You two are among the guys who I consider to LOVE cars in general that I get affraid of pushing away. I honestly respect people like you guys (I am a car-guy to a smaller extent) and DO honestly hope you don't take my comments directed to you. There seems to be a small faction here that likes to cause trouble and they deserve a different kind of attention.

I can't think of any posts that I didn't appreciate from you guys - and again - you aren't the only ones, just ones I see a lot

I agree with this post 100%