[merlin803]

If you go back throughout the history of Mustang sales vs Camaro sales, the vast majority of the time the Mustang sold more units.

The 5th Gen was an exception, with the excitement of the re-released Camaro and the Transformer movie, I think those sales are the high mark, so the "downward" trend was inevitable, after all, many of the "Camaro" fans still are paying on and still enjoying their 5th Gens.

Along with GM's decision to slow down on the fleet sales and move the Camaro "up stream" with more standard features and higher pricing, I personally believe that GM planned for lower sales with more profit built into each sale.

Would they love to sell move Camaro's than Mustangs? Of course. That doesn't mean that the 6th Gen is not "successful" though as the only thing that matters is the profit margin and not "OMG, we didn't sell more Camaro's than Mustangs".

Only GM knows if the Camaro is selling as planned and profitable, any thing else is just speculation.

[jp23rockstar]

It's simple similar design as last gen and prices too high for the market.

[Richard0nee]

I'm glad all you guys who are against the price, simple design, etc. etc.

Less 6th Gens driving around the better!! The more exclusive, the better!

If you guys only knew what you're missing out from lol

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Thank you for agreeing that the price conscious buyer will discount the Camaro. Think that may be why the Mustang is outselling it?

And, You are wrong about the T4 vs Ford V6. Ever been in sales? I imagine not. The Ford salesman can - and does - say their V6 is better than the GM T4 and then says the EB T4 is better than their own V6. I've heard it myself.

It's called upselling and a good salesman can do it very convincingly. There is a reason there are more base Mustangs sold than Camaros. And the Ford V6 vs the GM T4 is one selling point in the Ford Sales Guide used by their sales staff.

And the EB T4 vs GM's V6 discounts cylinder numbers over efficient and economical power and torque.

Regards.

It can't be the only reason, but I think it's say to safe it's a major factor. I still think the packaging on the LTs (which price is a part of) and lack of incentives/rebates/0% financing are big contributors too.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised a salesman would think that would work...me I would laugh and point out the performance and differences. The V6 Mustang is just as fast in the 1/4 as the EB (without PP), gets worse MPG than the 2.0T in the Camaro, and can't be had with many of the features standard or optional now only $20k Kia's, Honda's, and other cheap sporty cars. Now once you step up to the EB, it's another story. To me the V6 Mustang is made for one buyer, the person who wants the look and none of the extras. I'm sure they are selling some, but again there's been no info I have seen on Mustang sales breakout.

One thing I've noticed is many dealers are not trying to sale Camaros around me. No one has been pushy with me or even tried to keep following up even after I told them I was cross shopping. If Ford has a Sales Guide for their guys on what to say, maybe that's the problem with GM. There are definitely things the Camaro has the comparable Mustang doesn't. There's always plus and minuses on each side.

[HogsFan75]

There was another post about pricing and sales of the 6th gen in these forums awhile back and I said then that I thought prices were too high and got lambasted by page after page of furious fanboy ramblings. Par for the course in this group when you have anything to say about this gen that might be perceived as a slight.

I said then that sales figures would tell the tale if people would pay more for the increased performance. It seems some will, but not enough. I expect Chevy will start heavily discounting these cars soon to pull out of this slump and move them. Time will tell.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by merlin803

If you go back throughout the history of Mustang sales vs Camaro sales, the vast majority of the time the Mustang sold more units.

The 5th Gen was an exception, with the excitement of the re-released Camaro and the Transformer movie, I think those sales are the high mark, so the "downward" trend was inevitable, after all, many of the "Camaro" fans still are paying on and still enjoying their 5th Gens.

Along with GM's decision to slow down on the fleet sales and move the Camaro "up stream" with more standard features and higher pricing, I personally believe that GM planned for lower sales with more profit built into each sale.

Would they love to sell move Camaro's than Mustangs? Of course. That doesn't mean that the 6th Gen is not "successful" though as the only thing that matters is the profit margin and not "OMG, we didn't sell more Camaro's than Mustangs".

Only GM knows if the Camaro is selling as planned and profitable, any thing else is just speculation.

GM just added a third shift to LGR. No need for that if GM was planning on lower sales like we have been seeing and was clearly evident for the last few months. 5th Gen is pretty much sold out now after the firesale during the start of the year so those sales won't mask the 6th gen sales anymore. This's month we saw the results of that.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by Posaune

GM just added a third shift to LGR. No need for that if GM was planning on lower sales like we have been seeing and was clearly evident for the last few months. 5th Gen is pretty much sold out now after the firesale during the start of the year so those sales won't mask the 6th gen sales anymore. This's month we saw the results of that.

Didn't they just add the 3rd shift recently?

The dealership that I bought my car at several months ago STILL doesn't have even one 6th Gen either in the showroom or in front of the dealership where you would see one if you were driving by or even stopping at the dealership.

Sure doesn't seem like there is any panic, or even urgency on GM's part (no incentives, very little advertisement and at least in my area, it doesn't seem like there are many out for sale at dealerships).

[suzook]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I expect Chevy will start heavily discounting these cars soon to pull out of this slump and move them. Time will tell.

Would Chevrolet like more sales? Absolutely, but don't expect HEAVY discounts. There is a lot of profit built in to this generation. They are selling plenty to keep things the way it is.

[RagingHawk]

1. GM did a magnificent job with the V8 trim, keep it that way, it offers unique styling/performance/balance/fit and finish compared to competitors

2. V6 models optioned up can reach mid 30's, which is too much for the v6 crowd. The problem is with dealers ordering highly optioned V6 models, with options that competition don't even offer

3. People generally prefer Mustang styling, and they buy it for the name. Don't care for performance, aggressive look, driving dynamics or uniqueness.

4. The enthusiasts who are aware of what the Camaro brings, are largely haters of the Camaro. They call it ugly, make mention of visibility, always compare modded alternative to stock Camaro offering, etc....They simply hate it because it outperforms the brand they're loyal to. Some hate it for no reason, even some that can afford it. Those types give no reasons as to why they do.

5. My local dealer has only 1 V6 Camaro on lot, I couldn't find any other one.

6. Mustang/Challenger rebates are exaggerated, where I'm from, the Mustang is selling well and there are no eye breaking sales. They're selling msrp over 40, for premium pp. After rebates, high 30's, which is not far off from the Camaro. Chryslers option, the srt or scat pack sell at minimum high 30's. So not sure why people are complaining about SS price, I understand the other two available trims.

7. Camaro offers more better feed back/better driving dynamics. Which is 'discomforting' to most people, and again, they buy for name. Mustang is more iconic to mainstream people, and they will buy it just because everyone around them says it's the 'trendy' product.

8. I see Mustang's all over the place now, there is nothing unique about them anymore. They all appear the same, rarely anyone is modding them. They have panel fitment issues. They're not as quick as newer competition.

9. An example of irrational anti-Camaro hatred, can be seen with the mustang fanboy Matt Farrah. He refuses to give any impressions of the new Camaro, and refers to Camaro's as 'rental cars'. While claiming that the stock GT offers great performance, and will only have 'wobbliness' when you're pushing it to the limit on the track, what a joke, lol.

10. Those guys at the mustang forum will be having a troll fest over these sales numbers, I don't care. GM did a great job with the SS, it competes very well, and the competitors need the top tier V8's to compare with the base V8 option of the Camaro.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by merlin803

Didn't they just add the 3rd shift recently?

The dealership that I bought my car at several months ago STILL doesn't have even one 6th Gen either in the showroom or in front of the dealership where you would see one if you were driving by or even stopping at the dealership.

Sure doesn't seem like there is any panic, or even urgency on GM's part (no incentives, very little advertisement and at least in my area, it doesn't seem like there are many out for sale at dealerships).

Third shift should have started work last month.

Two closest dealers to me (15 miles north and south) have nearly 50 6th gems available. Within 50 miles there are 235 available.

[SpookShow'84]

This thread had some serious acceleration. Over 20 pages in 12 hours, great read and some great feedback.

[CamaroBody]

without having to read thought all these replies, I live in the bay area and the Camaro and Corvette inventory is VERY high at most dealers

the corvettes even have a $7k discount but the problem is most of the cars are well over $70k.

Camaro 1ss for $40k+ and no sunroof, bose, or leather... SERIOUSLY?

[doc7000]

with all things being said the camaro was down 40% while the mustang was down 24% and i think tje xhallemger was down 10% ladt month. Bad news all around but yes the camaro saw the biggest drop percentage wise

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

1. GM did a magnificent job with the V8 trim, keep it that way, it offers unique styling/performance/balance/fit and finish compared to competitors

2. V6 models optioned up can reach mid 30's, which is too much for the v6 crowd. The problem is with dealers ordering highly optioned V6 models, with options that competition don't even offer

3. People generally prefer Mustang styling, and they buy it for the name. Don't care for performance, aggressive look, driving dynamics or uniqueness.

4. The enthusiasts who are aware of what the Camaro brings, are largely haters of the Camaro. They call it ugly, make mention of visibility, always compare modded alternative to stock Camaro offering, etc....They simply hate it because it outperforms the brand they're loyal to. Some hate it for no reason, even some that can afford it. Those types give no reasons as to why they do.

5. My local dealer has only 1 V6 Camaro on lot, I couldn't find any other one.

6. Mustang/Challenger rebates are exaggerated, where I'm from, the Mustang is selling well and there are no eye breaking sales. They're selling msrp over 40, for premium pp. After rebates, high 30's, which is not far off from the Camaro. Chryslers option, the srt or scat pack sell at minimum high 30's. So not sure why people are complaining about SS price, I understand the other two available trims.

7. Camaro offers more better feed back/better driving dynamics. Which is 'discomforting' to most people, and again, they buy for name. Mustang is more iconic to mainstream people, and they will buy it just because everyone around them says it's the 'trendy' product.

8. I see Mustang's all over the place now, there is nothing unique about them anymore. They all appear the same, rarely anyone is modding them. They have panel fitment issues. They're not as quick as newer competition.

9. An example of irrational anti-Camaro hatred, can be seen with the mustang fanboy Matt Farrah. He refuses to give any impressions of the new Camaro, and refers to Camaro's as 'rental cars'. While claiming that the stock GT offers great performance, and will only have 'wobbliness' when you're pushing it to the limit on the track, what a joke, lol.

10. Those guys at the mustang forum will be having a troll fest over these sales numbers, I don't care. GM did a great job with the SS, it competes very well, and the competitors need the top tier V8's to compare with the base V8 option of the Camaro.

Couldn't agree with you more, excellent job.

The V8 trim is BEAST and the mustang GT will have to void their warranty just to be competitive lol!

The hate for the SS is great because they know how much it outperforms them. Sure they can mod it, anyone onelse can lol

The V6, i4, SHOULD NOT be in the mid 30k's! They loaded them way too much.

When u succeed over another brand, the hate will always be present!

Good job GM, and this is coming from a past mustang owner. But of course, I'm very performance oriented. If u want a cheaper car that gets good has mileage, the v6 mustang is a great choice. My 2cents