New car flaws or poor workmanship?

[Bull]

Produce as many Camaro's that have been produced, with as many moving parts as it has, and the small amount of issues that have been posted...I think the folks building the Camaro's have done a great job. If there were issues with all the vehicles, that would be a problem, like the battery cable, but GM fixed the issue no matter how painful the wait was. If they would have delivered 3K cars and they all crapped out 'cause of the cable, the forum would have went ballistic. I think the minor issues that have been mentioned can be fixed with a quick (hopefully) trip to the dealer. The price you pay for being the center of attention.

[KJS]

less than 3 months into production and if the problems that have been mentioned on this forum so far are indications of the magnitude of the problems with the car, I say NOT BAD AT ALL! and I'm not worried.
Again, < 3 months into production and every issue that has been raised I am astounded how quickly and thoroughly the engineers and dealerships have addressed and tried to resolve them. Something other manufacturers dick around saying, its supposed to be like that....
Yea, I know there were a lot of QC cars in the beginning, BUT they delayed shipping them to get them built right, and yea I wasn't one of them. The question about flaws or workmanship? I'd say the few "teething pains" are being fixed pronto.
I'd have no hesitation recommending the car and its quality to anyone.

[bigd1276]

Agreed! I don't think that any of us that preordered or ordered were expecting a perfect car. IT'S A FIRST YEAR MODEL! There will be issues, but as KJS stated,"the problems that have been mentioned on this forum so far are indications of the magnitude of the problems with the car, I say NOT BAD AT ALL! and I'm not worried." I had and still have faith in this car and the people that build them and will stand behind them.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by JPAYORK

No panic! Not the point of the thread. Guess I've just had a drink or two and voiced a concern. Not trying to start a pandemic of negativity. The only reason I brought it up was that multiple people have had similar issues from the original posters of the threads I mentioned. Some of which I find just shitty fit and finish. I just don't want to buy a car and have tons of isssues. I'm just looking for reassurance that the car is well built and will last to 150k miles with minimal issues.

Don’t get me wrong not blaming you for a "panic de jour"

You have every right to feel the way you do and ask the questions you need answers to, that's what we are here for. It's your hard earned cash you are putting down... But I'll tell you from my own experience with my 5th Gen, you are going to love this car if you purchase one.

[Vash]

To understand just how good this car is being made. You have to travel to the future.

Can you smell it? Smells new... starts right up.. like a rock. The heartbeat of America.

That's todays Chevrolet Camaro.

[trudawg660]

Originally Posted by JPAYORK

Okay, before you all find me and throw bricks through my window, I have my Camaro on order and am NOT canceling my order.

I've been on here, reading several threads on this forum about issues and I'm just wondering, are these just first run issues, or poor workmanship. Leaky fuel lines, rocker panels not lining up, a pillar trim coming off, battery cable (yes, I know there's a recall), instrument clusters, computer controllers, vibrations at 1500 rpm, cars not starting up again. These are the ones I can recall off the top of my head.

I have a 2007 Toyota FJ that HAS fist run issues like fender bulges and inner fender apron cracking and some minor stuff, but the fit and finish was never an issue, a few minor mechanical things. I'm just curious if this is really a first run issue on the Camaro or if things are falling between the cracks (so to speak).

I'm sure some of you will call me names and bash my patriotism, but I am planning on selling my FJ and buying a Camaro, I'd just like one person to be kind and say that these issues are on a small sample. I don't want to spend this kind of money on a car I really love and want only for it to fit into that well known stigma of American cars. I have no issues with American vs. Japanese and believe that the Camaro is a great car for its purpose; I just don’t want to be scared to take it on a road trip because it might not start again.

how far are u away from getting your car?

["prima"Donna]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I've said it many times already. There are thousands of Camaros on the road. The problems you list are the one offs a few of the members have reported.

Check JD Power. The average high quality vehicle will have approximately 1 problem. The industry average was, if I remember correctly, 110 or so PPH, Problems Per Hundred which is 1.1 problems per vehicle.

I know the guys in Oshawas are busting their butts to produce a great car.

I know the engineers are working tirelessly to fix all the problems that are found.

So please lets not get carried away. It is unfortunate that any Camaro buyer has even one issue. The goal is 0.

Every time someone posts a concern with their car, DOES NOT MEAN that it is a problem with every car.

It's not workmanship, it's not design. It's just hard to build perfect cars even though that is what Oshawa is doing there very best to do.

So for you to list all the thread titles as if they are systemic problems with the Camaro is a bit.......ummmmmmmmmmmm.........over reaching.

And it has nothing to do with your patriotism. I gave up on the hope that the American people gave a crap about that long ago. We don't care where our TVs or Cell Phones or even furniture are made why would we care where our cars are made. You are just like everyone else. The American way is to have choice and buy cheap without more thought than that. We no longer care about where we only care about how much.

So GM is giving you great outstanding products of which the Cmaro is just one.

From your description, though, it seems as if your FJ had as many problems as all of the Camaros combined.

LOVE my Camaro and kudos to all the designers, engineers, builders, etc...you guys at Oshawa ROCK MY WORLD!!!...i've said it before on other threads, but i'll say it again, in case anyone missed it...you guys at Oshawa are building our cars as if they are your own and for that, we Camaro buyers are truly grateful for all the time and effort that went into building our "dream cars" as safely and efficiently and timely as humanly possible...
THANK YOU!!!...

["prima"Donna]

Originally Posted by Vash

To understand just how good this car is being made. You have to travel to the future.

Can you smell it? Smells new... starts right up.. like a rock. The heartbeat of America.

That's todays Chevrolet Camaro.

...you are a Camaro commercial!...

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by JPAYORK

Okay, before you all find me and throw bricks through my window, I have my Camaro on order and am NOT canceling my order.

I've been on here, reading several threads on this forum about issues and I'm just wondering, are these just first run issues, or poor workmanship. Leaky fuel lines, rocker panels not lining up, a pillar trim coming off, battery cable (yes, I know there's a recall), instrument clusters, computer controllers, vibrations at 1500 rpm, cars not starting up again. These are the ones I can recall off the top of my head.

I have a 2007 Toyota FJ that HAS fist run issues like fender bulges and inner fender apron cracking and some minor stuff, but the fit and finish was never an issue, a few minor mechanical things. I'm just curious if this is really a first run issue on the Camaro or if things are falling between the cracks (so to speak).

I'm sure some of you will call me names and bash my patriotism, but I am planning on selling my FJ and buying a Camaro, I'd just like one person to be kind and say that these issues are on a small sample. I don't want to spend this kind of money on a car I really love and want only for it to fit into that well known stigma of American cars. I have no issues with American vs. Japanese and believe that the Camaro is a great car for its purpose; I just don’t want to be scared to take it on a road trip because it might not start again.

First the fj is a true off road vec. i dont see how you could mess up the F&F on a car thats made so you can hose down the interior. But i see your point and i think GM is doing the best they can so stuff like that doesnt happen!

[Vash]

Originally Posted by "prima"Donna

...you are a Camaro commercial!...

Well might be better to say I could write the Camaro commercial.

I would have one of each color that's 4 sure.

Sorry silver... your fired...

Old silver has hogged 2 commercials now. Time for some ABM, IOM, RJT etc. etc...

[2SSJIM]

Originally Posted by KJS

less than 3 months into production and if the problems that have been mentioned on this forum so far are indications of the magnitude of the problems with the car, I say NOT BAD AT ALL! and I'm not worried.
Again, < 3 months into production and every issue that has been raised I am astounded how quickly and thoroughly the engineers and dealerships have addressed and tried to resolve them. Something other manufacturers dick around saying, its supposed to be like that....
Yea, I know there were a lot of QC cars in the beginning, BUT they delayed shipping them to get them built right, and yea I wasn't one of them. The question about flaws or workmanship? I'd say the few "teething pains" are being fixed pronto.
I'd have no hesitation recommending the car and its quality to anyone.

I'm very impressed with the way all the issues that have popped up have been taken care of so quickly by GM and the dealers. It goes to show you that they are serious about getting it done right. Now I know there will be a few things that will get by the quality control people, but when it's discovered, the way it's handled tells alot about the dealer and the car company you are dealing with. So far, mine has been a good experience and I hope it continues once I have my car!

[Lauryn200]

"Early Adopters"----

Are usually quality control-this is expected in any "new" model

JK Wranglers 2007 leaky tops,transmission problems,electrical problems

FJ Cruisers-go to first post

XBOX 360's-red rings of death

That's sometimes the price you pay when you want to be first but it helps with the next year models,they know what they need to pay attention for the 2011.....

[aberg]

So far no problems with my Camaro. My 2007 FJ had a paint problem. Paint was peeling off the front bumper. They repainted and now it's fine.

[JPAYORK]

Originally Posted by trudawg660

how far are u away from getting your car?

I wish I knew, I go to the dealer every week to see if my order has even been picked up at the plant. Hopefully today that will be the case. My small town dealership has been having pretty good luck with orders being delivered 6-7 weeks after they're picked up. I hope and pray that mine will be here by the beginning of August.

So, whether this car has problems or not, I'm still buying it.