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speedster · 10-22-2010, 09:23 PM

That looks like a great system Brandon. Awesome for the HP people on this site. One piece of info that may be helpful is at what PSI they rate their pumps at. High boost applications require some pretty high sustained pump PSI. Nice looking unit

2010 SS RS · 10-22-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyP25

Is this still using the OEM fuel control module?

Yeah what he asked...bahahahaha

tkrupinski · 10-22-2010, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

Yes

Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

Regards

Killer, lets have lunch and talk about it.

Total_Perf_Eng · 10-22-2010, 11:23 PM

We use the Fore precision pump kits in our Mustang builds. Its definately a quality product. The twin and triple mustang kits run about 500 bucks (plus a couple hundred for the pumps), so it should be extremely competitive.

We know of 3 other reputable companys building billet fuel systems for Camaros, so this upcoming year should really turn out to be a giant leap forward in making these cars even faster. No more having to buy 900 dollar CTS-V knock off pump hats.

IPS, Congrats on the IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) World Record for the Corvette. You guys smashed it like it was a walk in the park. You will be in the 7's by the end of 2011.

JUISSD · 10-23-2010, 12:30 AM

Fore makes great stuff. I ran a triple pump set up in my 993rwhp Lightning.

2010 SS RS · 10-24-2010, 01:06 PM

Ok I am just throwing this out there since Teddy P25 did not get an answer.
I am in the process of building my ls3 and when we began to address the fuel delivery issues here is what we found. We found that the BAP systems were not fully effective due to the stock controller reducing the volt boost. We also found that the stock unit was not capable of delivering enough power for dual fuel pump systems. This led us back to the ADM option which includes a new Fuel Controller unit. Tuners have been getting false positives when setting psi boost requests on their software. When manual checks were performed the results were significantly less than the call from the system. psi was found to be as low as 45 psi on a 70 psi table under WOT.
That is why Ted was asking if stock controller is used with this package. I came very close to just nixing the entire stock tank and going with aftermarket tank and pump system. Seems like fuel delivery upgrades are lagging behind when the need has been there from the start. The bottom line is to make sure no matter what fuel upgrade system chosen it is vital to do manual checks rather than going by the tables of the tuning software as the GM fuel controller on the Camaro is not letting the voltage by nor has the capability to operate dual pumps on its own. Just my opinion but based on some pretty good facts and results from test on several high HP units.

ADM PERFORMANCE · 10-24-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

Yes

Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

Regards

Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it

ADM PERFORMANCE · 10-24-2010, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

Yes

Also this setup will flow more then ADM's as far as I know, at least an intank solution, Andy is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

Todd lets put a 3.4" upper pulley an then we can get it in there

Regards

Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it

I will post our 4 pump system when I get back to the shop on Monday.

PoleCat2SSRS2010 · 10-24-2010, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

Would make a great Jannetty or magazine test...I like it

I will post our 4 pump system when I get back to the shop on Monday.

OMG.

IPS Brandon · 10-25-2010, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2010 SS RS

Yeah what he asked...bahahahaha

Speedster and others - I believe this system utilizes Walbro 255lph fuel pumps. With this system set up as a return style running a base pressure around 45 there should be no issues at all. I will see if I cant post up the Walbro flow chart (once I dig it up).

Andy - See you always have an Ace in the hole which is why I figured you had some solution. Four pumps is wild to say the least that would be PLENTY for 1500+ hp, assuming you're using 255's.

As for fuel pressure tables versus actual pressure calibrations I will have Eric our tuner lay some context on this topic as I myself may not be quite as well versed. I do know how ever if you create a return style system and run a 1:1 regulator this becomes some what of a mute topic from a calibration perspective, at least from our results, again I will have more context later on this.

Total perf. Eng. - Thank you, we put in a lot of unique skills and fabrication into our IRS record C6Z and it has paid off. We recently just changed valve springs and seat pressures to change some valve float issues we believed to have at 21 psi, which we set the current record at 19-20 psi. We have taken the car to a quick test session and logged good 23+ psi passes on the big end so we are excited to try at the 7's one more time before snow fall here in the mid west. We will have the car at the imports versus domestics for its final race this season.

Regards

ADM PERFORMANCE · 10-25-2010, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

Speedster and others - I believe this system utilizes Walbro 255lph fuel pumps. With this system set up as a return style running a base pressure around 45 there should be no issues at all. I will see if I cant post up the Walbro flow chart (once I dig it up).

Andy - See you always have an Ace in the hole which is why I figured you had some solution. Four pumps is wild to say the least that would be PLENTY for 1500+ hp, assuming you're using 255's.

As for fuel pressure tables versus actual pressure calibrations I will have Eric our tuner lay some context on this topic as I myself may not be quite as well versed. I do know how ever if you create a return style system and run a 1:1 regulator this becomes some what of a mute topic from a calibration perspective, at least from our results, again I will have more context later on this.

Total perf. Eng. - Thank you, we put in a lot of unique skills and fabrication into our IRS record C6Z and it has paid off. We recently just changed valve springs and seat pressures to change some valve float issues we believed to have at 21 psi, which we set the current record at 19-20 psi. We have taken the car to a quick test session and logged good 23+ psi passes on the big end so we are excited to try at the 7's one more time before snow fall here in the mid west. We will have the car at the imports versus domestics for its final race this season.

Regards

Always that quest for more.After watching 1400-1900whp Lambo's this weekend ,I gotta do something!!

Fore makes a beautiful system,just not sure what they intend to do with the FPCM !

IPS Brandon · 10-26-2010, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADM PERFORMANCE

Always that quest for more.After watching 1400-1900whp Lambo's this weekend ,I gotta do something!!

Fore makes a beautiful system,just not sure what they intend to do with the FPCM !

That is where we come in

Andy are you concerned at all the draw of amperage on the stock alternator/charging system with running four in tank pumps?

The Lambos apparently make pretty nice hover crafts as well...

I will say unfortunate that it happened, I was there two years ago when another truck rolled at the half mile mark, its scary business, and going 200 mph is a thrill from my travels!

Back on topic

Regards

ADM PERFORMANCE · 10-26-2010, 12:18 PM

ie

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

That is where we come in

Andy are you concerned at all the draw of amperage on the stock alternator/charging system with running four in tank pumps?

The Lambos apparently make pretty nice hover crafts as well...

I will say unfortunate that it happened, I was there two years ago when another truck rolled at the half mile mark, its scary business, and going 200 mph is a thrill from my travels!

Back on topic

Regards

Considering we dont run a boostapump on each pump,it is really very effiecient,We have monitored the twin system with our wiring harness and have only seen 32 amps constant at peak flow,peak spikes with a boostapump are 40a(input to a kennebelldualboostapump)ea at 17 volts but that is just miliseconds.

Just dont play the stereo loud at WOT

I will post data on our twin turbo build when it is completed.

Blkcamaro757 · 10-26-2010, 04:47 PM

This is the company that DTP told me to wait for. It should be out before xmas.

10-22-2010, 09:23 PM	#15
speedster SST... Drives: SST Camaro 2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Coast of Florida Posts: 5,927 View My Garage	That looks like a great system Brandon. Awesome for the HP people on this site. One piece of info that may be helpful is at what PSI they rate their pumps at. High boost applications require some pretty high sustained pump PSI. Nice looking unit __________________

10-23-2010, 12:30 AM	#19
JUISSD Drives: 2010 White/IOM 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,228	Fore makes great stuff. I ran a triple pump set up in my 993rwhp Lightning. __________________ 2010 White/IOM Camaro 2SS/RS M6

10-24-2010, 01:06 PM	#20
2010 SS RS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IBM Black Polished Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,106	Ok I am just throwing this out there since Teddy P25 did not get an answer. I am in the process of building my ls3 and when we began to address the fuel delivery issues here is what we found. We found that the BAP systems were not fully effective due to the stock controller reducing the volt boost. We also found that the stock unit was not capable of delivering enough power for dual fuel pump systems. This led us back to the ADM option which includes a new Fuel Controller unit. Tuners have been getting false positives when setting psi boost requests on their software. When manual checks were performed the results were significantly less than the call from the system. psi was found to be as low as 45 psi on a 70 psi table under WOT. That is why Ted was asking if stock controller is used with this package. I came very close to just nixing the entire stock tank and going with aftermarket tank and pump system. Seems like fuel delivery upgrades are lagging behind when the need has been there from the start. The bottom line is to make sure no matter what fuel upgrade system chosen it is vital to do manual checks rather than going by the tables of the tuning software as the GM fuel controller on the Camaro is not letting the voltage by nor has the capability to operate dual pumps on its own. Just my opinion but based on some pretty good facts and results from test on several high HP units. __________________ 418 Stroker, 621RWHP 648 lbs TORQUE Built by Laramie GM Auto Center Tuned by Nick at Mac Autosport. EForce SC, 2 3/4pulley,LPE dual fuel pump, JRE Twin fuel rail upgrade, posi clutch kit, RX oilcatch can and breather, Callies Compstar crankshaft and rods, Racing bearings, CP -13.8 race pistons, steel rings, Comp Cams X6 blower cam, Springs, HD timing chain and tensioner, Doug Thorley Tri Y LT headers, 89.7lb injectors, RPM rollbar, DSS1400 shafts, Simpson 5 pt harness, BMR Toe rods and trailing arms, led lights, RPM input and output shafts

10-26-2010, 04:47 PM	#28
Blkcamaro757 Drives: 2010 camaro RS SS 6speed Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 245	This is the company that DTP told me to wait for. It should be out before xmas. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOJd8zTl3U http://s1008.photobucket.com/albums/...%20ss%20turbo/ http://www.dtpracing.com/ http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/

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10-22-2010, 11:23 PM	#18
Total_Perf_Eng Drives: Corvette Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 509	We use the Fore precision pump kits in our Mustang builds. Its definately a quality product. The twin and triple mustang kits run about 500 bucks (plus a couple hundred for the pumps), so it should be extremely competitive. We know of 3 other reputable companys building billet fuel systems for Camaros, so this upcoming year should really turn out to be a giant leap forward in making these cars even faster. No more having to buy 900 dollar CTS-V knock off pump hats. IPS, Congrats on the IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) World Record for the Corvette. You guys smashed it like it was a walk in the park. You will be in the 7's by the end of 2011.