Dad shows me a paper on sunday, I fall into a deep depression...

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by MY68RS

My family knows nothing about me buying a ZL1 at the first of the Year.

(How is this possible? I have announced my plans to everyone I know and a few hundred that I don't, in addition to hitting family members & calling the color every time I see a Camaro. I've promised them I'll stop hitting them when I have my ZL1.)

My dad however knows I love anything that is fast.
So what does he do? He shows me on one of the back pages of the local newspaper a bright red convertible Shelby 350.....
624 HP......
My heart sank... I knew that more than likely GM will have dropped the ball on this one again. Will Chevy or has Chevy ever in its history released a CAMARO prior to Mustangs release with MORE horsepower? If it has it has been few and far between. Just glancing back I do not recall anything that stands out in particular.

(Apparently you didn't notice the COPOs whose engines gave ZL1 it's name.)

... I am not here to bash Ford.

(This much is obvious, it looks very much like you're bashing Chevy though.)

... It just really bugs the shit out of me that true loyal Chevy Camaro fans always get less then the mustang...
Either the price is higher on the Camaro,

(as you note, the supposed 624hp Shelby you're talking about will be at least 15k more expensive than the ZL1, in addition to the Shelby being aftermarket upgraded. Would you care to try a race between a ZL1 with 15k of mods versus the Shelby?)

...or the mustang stomps the Camaros ass... just saying..
I am afraid that history has repeated itself again....
Heck, not only do we have to worry about Shelby SS sneakin up on us but now the GTS and now the Shelby 350..... I have not even looked at the BOSS 302 yet..
I'm not tossing in the towel. I will still order a ZL1 as I cannot afford the Shelby 350 price tag at 70k i think this particular one was...
BUT... I COULD order a v8 Mustang GTS with 5.0 liter and SUPERCHARGER for about 51k or 52k. Would I be a traitor and buy the Mustang over the ZL1?

(Good luck to anyone trying to get that to accelerate rather than melting tires. If doing burnouts is your favorite thing, then you'd be all over that.)

...Plans at the moment No. I would not do that...but the temptation will always be there.

Please note that I was answering with my thoughts as I was reading the post, and don't intend any disrespect to you as a person. I simply disagree with your perspective and reasoning.

If you like Mustangs as well as you like Camaros, (You're demented) that's fine with me. They're (somewhat) good cars too. Mustangs do have their uses.

After all, without an opponent, there can be no victory. ....


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[buzzy56]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

If you are going to compare apples to apples you have to leave out the Shelby 350. Stick to comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 and Boss 302. And HP isn't everything. Look at the Boss - only 444 Hp but it will out lap the GT500 on the track. And remember, the 2012 GT500 has 550 HP - the 2012 ZL1 will already beat that. 2013 is another story all together so we will wait to argue that one. On top of that, I'm sure the ZL1 will out handle the GT500 and hopefully the Boss, but that remains to be seen.

With these cars aftermarket you have to look at the whole package. I've driven a Shelby Super Snake with the 750 HP package - my dad has one. 750 HP – that should be awesome and beat everything!! Actually, the first few gears - well you are just worried about smoking the tires. In my opinion this is unusable HP and the car seems unbalanced. I don't want to have to worry about crashing all the time when I get on the gas driving around town. Plus the car is much more expensive than the ZL1 will be. You can add many thousands on top of the MSRP to get these numbers from an aftermarket builder.

I don't think a lot of these aftermarket people can track test to the extent GM does, so I'd bet on GM any day from that aspect. I think the ZL1 will be a totally balanced package and I hope it out handles the Boss and I’m sure it would be better to drive than the Super Snake on a track – heck it might even beat the Super Snake in a straight line as you can’t use the HP until 3rd gear anyway. Anyone can just add HP, some wheels, and some springs – it takes a lot more work to make that HP work for its intended purpose.

I don't know about you but I love them all. I would not have a problem driving each one of them and being proud.They all have there + & / but the looks of all of them cant be beat.If I could afford I would have one of each.
Nice garage their / menagerie !

[radz28]

I think just about everyone posting before me has mostly already said what I was thinking. I will say that I don't care what car makes more power (because there's always a car that does and will). Power is not everything. Handling is not everything. To me, IMVHO - if the car doesn't speak to you, you're never going to be happy with it. The 5th Gen spoke to me as soon as I saw it, and ZL1 adds to my excitement even more. I'm sorry you've been disappointed, but all the power in the world isn't going to do a bit of good if the chassis can't use it. We don't know enough detail on ZL1 to reasonably draw any conclusions. It's your money and I do hope you find the car that does speak to you

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by radz28

I think just about everyone posting before me has mostly already said what I was thinking. I will say that I don't care what car makes more power (because there's always a car that does and will). Power is not everything. Handling is not everything. To me, IMVHO - if the car doesn't speak to you, you're never going to be happy with it. The 5th Gen spoke to me as soon as I saw it, and ZL1 adds to my excitement even more. I'm sorry you've been disappointed, but all the power in the world isn't going to do a bit of good if the chassis can't use it. We don't know enough detail on ZL1 to reasonably draw any conclusions. It's your money and I do hope you find the car that does speak to you

Well spoken as a man with an obviously spiritual connection to the Camaro and ZL1.


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[radz28]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

Well spoken as a man with an obviously spiritual connection to the Camaro and ZL1.


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No different than you brother

[Supercamaro64]

As said above, HP isnt everything. the current Camaro SS has more HP than the Mustang GT, but its still a close race, some saying the stang has a slight advantage. It's weight, suspension, weight distribution, tires, etc, etc. Yes, HP helps. But its not the only factor. And plus, the Camaro has notoriously been the underdog since its inception. But that just makes it all the more satisfying when we win!!

[SSOOCH]

If you're worried about it stop effing around and just buy a Z06 and smoke em' both!!

[vinman]

There's always a bigger dog

[2010SLVRBULIT]

buy the fastest thing you can afford(but it might not be the prettiest)..

[AutoAgenda]

Originally Posted by SSOOCH

If you're worried about it stop effing around and just buy a Z06 and smoke em' both!!

Haha, valid point!

[Wantconvertible]

The camaro looks better,so sexy

[GoldenBear]

As others have said, you should decide on what you like and want in terms of styling, performance, and affordability, and then buy it if it is within your budget. Know that there will always be someone with a vehicle out there that has more performance than yours does, as one can always spend money on a vehicle to obtain higher performance. However, if you really know what you want, given the real world constraints within most of us must live, you should be happy with your choice, regardless of the fact that there will be others who will have higher performance vehicles.

If one always waits for the next best thing, one never ends up purchasing anything, and forever sits on the sideline.

For most people a vehicle selection always in involves balancing the trade offs between what one wants, likes, can afford, and what is available.

In addition to styling, high performance affordaility is one of the things that I have always liked about Chervolet performance vehicles. From the Big Block Corvettes and Chevelles to the Z28 and Big Block Camaros, Chevrolet has offered high performance vehicles at a price that just about anyone can afford. For me, that's one of the many appealing things about the ZL1. It will have amazing performance, and it will be affordable. I will be grinning ear to ear after I purchase my ZL1 because I know I'll be driving the perfect car of this era for me.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

As others have said, you should decide on what you like and want in terms of styling, performance, and affordability, and then buy it if it is within your budget. Know that there will always be someone with a vehicle out there that has more performance than yours does, as one can always spend money on a vehicle to obtain higher performance. However, if you really know what you want, given the real world constraints within most of us must live, you should be happy with your choice, regardless of the fact that there will be others who will have higher performance vehicles.

If one always waits for the next best thing, one never ends up purchasing anything, and forever sits on the sideline.

For most people a vehicle selection always in involves balancing the trade offs between what one wants, likes, can afford, and what is available.

In addition to styling, high performance affordaility is one of the things that I have always liked about Chervolet performance vehicles. From the Big Block Corvettes and Chevelles to the Z28 and Big Block Camaros, Chevrolet has offered high performance vehicles at a price that just about anyone can afford. For me, that's one of the many appealing things about the ZL1. It will have amazing performance, and it will be affordable. I will be grinning ear to ear after I purchase my ZL1 because I know I'll be driving the perfect car of this era for me.

Truer words are rarely posted

[Revo1]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

If you are going to compare apples to apples you have to leave out the Shelby 350. Stick to comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 and Boss 302. And HP isn't everything. Look at the Boss - only 444 Hp but it will out lap the GT500 on the track. And remember, the 2012 GT500 has 550 HP - the 2012 ZL1 will already beat that. 2013 is another story all together so we will wait to argue that one. On top of that, I'm sure the ZL1 will out handle the GT500 and hopefully the Boss, but that remains to be seen.

With these cars aftermarket you have to look at the whole package. I've driven a Shelby Super Snake with the 750 HP package - my dad has one. 750 HP – that should be awesome and beat everything!! Actually, the first few gears - well you are just worried about smoking the tires. In my opinion this is unusable HP and the car seems unbalanced. I don't want to have to worry about crashing all the time when I get on the gas driving around town. Plus the car is much more expensive than the ZL1 will be. You can add many thousands on top of the MSRP to get these numbers from an aftermarket builder.

I don't think a lot of these aftermarket people can track test to the extent GM does, so I'd bet on GM any day from that aspect. I think the ZL1 will be a totally balanced package and I hope it out handles the Boss and I’m sure it would be better to drive than the Super Snake on a track – heck it might even beat the Super Snake in a straight line as you can’t use the HP until 3rd gear anyway. Anyone can just add HP, some wheels, and some springs – it takes a lot more work to make that HP work for its intended purpose.

4th gen = droooooooooooooooooooooooool