You tube Idea 5.0 vs SS

[mike25]

Originally Posted by Tigwelder

Yeah its funny how the Ford is getting almost the same hp as a 6.2 with a 5.0,now thats funny.That new 5.0 is an awesome motor,if you don't think so just do some research.My son has an '11 5.0 m6 and it is a pretty good ride!

Never said it wasn't impressive..merely stating, 6.2 or not, the new 5.0 is barely keeping ahead of a 15 year old motor..

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by mike25

Never said it wasn't impressive..merely stating, 6.2 or not, the new 5.0 is barely keeping ahead of a 15 year old motor..

the 5.0 itself isn't keeping ahead. the 6.2 is actually a better engine, just in a heavier car.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by mike25

Never said it wasn't impressive..merely stating, 6.2 or not, the new 5.0 is barely keeping ahead of a 15 year old motor..

Originally Posted by big hammer

the 5.0 itself isn't keeping ahead. the 6.2 is actually a better engine, just in a heavier car.

Mmmmkay.....

So Ford is using a 1.2L less motor to put out the same power as the LS3, doesn't neuter the auto version, responds better to mods and is spanking the 5th gen. at the strip and you guys are saying the LS3 is a better motor? Pass some of the stuff you are smoking......

[casper sc/1ss/rs]

great idea i think i would love to see it but i think with the right tune the ls3 has the 5.0 beat im not talking about the reflash computer that you buy and just plug and play im talking about an experenced tuner that knows what hes doing with tuners like the hp tuners gm really has these cars cut back for some reason dont know why but i would love to see the comparson

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by wbt

Mmmmkay.....

So Ford is using a 1.2L less motor to put out the same power as the LS3, doesn't neuter the auto version, responds better to mods and is spanking the 5th gen. at the strip and you guys are saying the LS3 is a better motor? Pass some of the stuff you are smoking......

It is not the same power. Look at typical dyno tests where the Ford is usually 10 rwhp and 15 rwtq less. Look at where the power and torque in the rpm range comes in at. The 5.0 gets wins due to it's huge weight differance, not because it has a superior motor.

[suzbndt]

What I look at is the physical size of the engine vs how much power it produces. Ls3 is a very small powerplant that makes huge power. The physical dimensions of the 5.0 are huge and I would bet the weight is much more as well. The ls3 is very good and responds well to mods. I believe it will be close when everything is said and done. I should be able to complete my episode with the suspensions by christmas

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by mike25

Never said it wasn't impressive..merely stating, 6.2 or not, the new 5.0 is barely keeping ahead of a 15 year old motor..

If a 5.0L engine is "barely keeping ahead" of an engine that's 1.2L larger, then that is impressive.

Wow ...

Originally Posted by wbt

Mmmmkay.....

So Ford is using a 1.2L less motor to put out the same power as the LS3, doesn't neuter the auto version, responds better to mods and is spanking the 5th gen. at the strip and you guys are saying the LS3 is a better motor?

^What he said.

[CAPT D]

Go for it i think it would be a cool side by side comparision

[wbt]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It is not the same power. Look at typical dyno tests where the Ford is usually 10 rwhp and 15 rwtq less. Look at where the power and torque in the rpm range comes in at. The 5.0 gets wins due to it's huge weight differance, not because it has a superior motor.

Huge weight difference? 300lbs.

I used to own a LS3 5th gen. Cat back with a CAI it put down 376WHP and 376WTQ.

My Mustang put down 432WHP and 376WTQ with a CAI, tune, O/R X pipe and shorties.

That is damn near a 60 HP difference. Do you think long tubes and a tune would make that up on the LS3? I highly doubt it......

I am not one for "dyno racing" or who is into owning a dyno queen. Who cares what numbers a car puts down? If it can't be backed up at the strip it is worthless.

[suzbndt]

That is what I am talking about, same company parts. Then take them to the strip for the dyno run. But LG is claiming 48hp from the full exhaust.

[mike25]

Originally Posted by Tigwelder

Yeah its funny how the Ford is getting almost the same hp as a 6.2 with a 5.0,now thats funny.That new 5.0 is an awesome motor,if you don't think so just do some research.My son has an '11 5.0 m6 and it is a pretty good ride!

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

If a 5.0L engine is "barely keeping ahead" of an engine that's 1.2L larger, then that is impressive.

Wow ...



^What he said.

Not if it's a newly designed motor...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by wbt

Huge weight difference? 300lbs.

I used to own a LS3 5th gen. Cat back with a CAI it put down 376WHP and 376WTQ.

My Mustang put down 432WHP and 376WTQ with a CAI, tune, O/R X pipe and shorties.

That is damn near a 60 HP difference. Do you think long tubes and a tune would make that up on the LS3? I highly doubt it......

I am not one for "dyno racing" or who is into owning a dyno queen. Who cares what numbers a car puts down? If it can't be backed up at the strip it is worthless.

Nice hp numbers better than most with your similar combination but with your mods you have met the same rwtq that a stock LS3 puts down. Your next n/a investment will break the bank compared to a camshaft install on the LS3.

[Bad70supreme]

Sorry but thread is full of BS... the LS3 and 5.0 are completely different engines and make power by a different way of getting there. To do a side by side comparison using the same parts is not going to work! The 5.0 and LS3 resond to different parts, a fast 102 does nothing for a them because its not needed, headers make a HUGE difference because it is needed, were the 5.0 does not respond to Lt headers like the LS3, and LS3s dont respond to intakes like a 5.0! You already decided you like the stang better, so sell the camaro and save your money, because your idea SUCKs and is actually sided toward the stang. A catback and intake is worthless for the SS but it does help the stang, why not do what matters on the SS to make it fare or just dont do it at all!

[wbt]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Nice hp numbers better than most with your similar combination but with your mods you have met the same rwtq that a stock LS3 puts down. Your next n/a investment will break the bank compared to a camshaft install on the LS3.

Thanks.

For additional N/A mods....I have since added a Boss intake and converted to e85. Total spend to do those mods is $700. (I added larger injectors as I was at max duty cycle on the stock injectors and wanted some room to play with the tune. Stock injectors are safe for car's not running the Boss intake on e85.)

As-far-as cams go, FRPP offers intake and exhaust cams. The Boss exhaust cams are an option as well and they are cheap. To go with the Boss exhaust cams and supporting valve springs, looking at $370.

So all-in-all there are still plenty of cost effective mods for a N/A 5.0 car outside of exhaust, CAI, tune, cat-back, etc...