My thoughts on all of ZL1 and GT500 discussions going on.

[Blue Maro Demon]

This IS personal! Ford pretty much owned not only Camaro in general yesterday but pretty much Chevrolet as a whole. The Corvette was even put on notice yesterday except for a ZR-1 Vette. Now the Ford lovers can brag that they have a bigger engine than GM does from the factory. If I was Chevrolet I would take this personal and do everything in their arsenal to own the Mustang and Ford so bad they will have no choice sooner than later to stop building Mustangs.
This was calculated by Ford to happen right before the ZL1 prices were announced so they wanted to screw them over before the car could even be released to the public. Also Chevrolet needs to get over thinking the Camaro is eating into Vette sales and make a higher performing Camaro if need be. These are two different markets. And they arent garnering any or many sales from Corvette right now anyway except from guys in their 60's mostly with the Vette. In this market you either come out swinging or you get embarassed and lately Chevrolet has been getting embarassed.
In fact I would be putting as many resources if not more into the Camaro than I would the Vette seeing as the Camaro is generating more sales since its at a lower price point. I hope that Chevrolet has an answer to this and an even BIGGER screw you to Ford after what they pulled yesterday. We are already beating them in the pocket in sales where it hurts now its time to beat them in performance too. We all know the next gen Mustang will be out within the next couple years so Chevrolet should be perfecting the alpha platform and making it as light as possible. I know they are hard at work on the ATS right now. Chevrolet should make sure the 6th Gen Camaro Alpha platform is lighter than the next gen Mustang then it will be over for them. Once Ford releases the weight and info on the new Stang make the next-gen Camaro considerably lighter and go from there. The 5th Gen Camaro simply isnt and wont cut it with its weight.

[PoorMansCamaro]

pretty sure the new gt500 will be a huge flop. maybe it's just me.

[kiteman]

i think well over 80% of those discussing the topic have no intentions of buying either car and/or can't afford either car, so why are those people wasting their energy talking about it?

[fbodfather]

In an airport and have to run to catch a plane in a few moments....will address more later but:

>Baylor airforce - you continue to impress me with your understanding of many things - and this was a great post.

>BlueMaro - I'm sorry, but I don't think many people see that Chevrolet has been embarrassed......for many reasons.

First - Mustand is their performance car - it's their Camaro and their Corvette.
Second - you and I have no idea of how the 650hp will perform -- at least yet. (how do you get it to hook up?) Third - it's also about overall performance on a track - not just straightline - and if you DO want straightline, I'm sure that SLP/Berger/Tom Henry can get it for you for less.....
Lastly - let's look at the performance of Fomoco versus GM - show me their CTS-V family.

What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy.

More to come.

[foreignl99]

Great this is happening but imo these cars aren't worth what they are asking for. 55k for a zl1? 60k for gt500?

:/.

Awesome times but this war is overpricing the hell out of these cars.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

In an airport and have to run to catch a plane in a few moments....will address more later but:

>Baylor airforce - you continue to impress me with your understanding of many things - and this was a great post.

>BlueMaro - I'm sorry, but I don't think many people see that Chevrolet has been embarrassed......for many reasons.

First - Mustand is their performance car - it's their Camaro and their Corvette.
Second - you and I have no idea of how the 650hp will perform -- at least yet. (how do you get it to hook up?) Third - it's also about overall performance on a track - not just straightline - and if you DO want straightline, I'm sure that SLP/Berger/Tom Henry can get it for you for less.....
Lastly - let's look at the performance of Fomoco versus GM - show me their CTS-V family.

What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy.

More to come.

Thanks, 'father. I think many people just needed to hear this. Travel safe

Nominated as POTD

[thespymaster]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

In an airport and have to run to catch a plane in a few moments....will address more later but:

>Baylor airforce - you continue to impress me with your understanding of many things - and this was a great post.

>BlueMaro - I'm sorry, but I don't think many people see that Chevrolet has been embarrassed......for many reasons.

First - Mustand is their performance car - it's their Camaro and their Corvette.
Second - you and I have no idea of how the 650hp will perform -- at least yet. (how do you get it to hook up?) Third - it's also about overall performance on a track - not just straightline - and if you DO want straightline, I'm sure that SLP/Berger/Tom Henry can get it for you for less.....
Lastly - let's look at the performance of Fomoco versus GM - show me their CTS-V family.

What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy.

More to come.

Well written response....

I have and always be a pure GM owner, don't care if the Mutang was 1000 hp at the same price, would not buy it!

Having the Z06, CTS-V, several GM trucks, I can't wait to get behind the wheel of my new ZL1.......

[MikeSS18]

How is Ford owning/winning anything? The car isnt out yet??? No one has anything to brag about because THE CAR ISNT OUT YET??
Im glad there is competition but come on give me a break.

[kbui]

Originally Posted by foreignl99

Great this is happening but imo these cars aren't worth what they are asking for. 55k for a zl1? 60k for gt500?

:/.

Awesome times but this war is overpricing the hell out of these cars.

Disagree with this assertion. The WAR is giving bargain factory performance cars. Where else can you get a 580HP, magnetic ride, technologies that allowed the ZL1 that performed at that level on the 'ring....all for 55K?

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by kiteman

i think well over 80% of those discussing the topic have no intentions of buying either car and/or can't afford either car, so why are those people wasting their energy talking about it?

Because without active threads, these forums would die.

I appreciate the original post by Baylor Camaro. I was around in the mid-late 1970's and was in my mid 20's, single, and with some pocket money. I bought a 1976 455 Trans-Am, which was one of the fastest cars around, with a great quarter mile time in the high 15's or low 16's.

So any time I see these performance cars with the high horsepower outputs, it's a good day. By being around during the dark days where performance was minimal, as was the speed limit with it's 55 mph limits, I have a great appreciation for what is going on.

Even though I'm a Pontiac guy at heart, I appreciate all American performance cars be it Ford, Chevy, Cadillac or whatever. By the way, the idea of a Cadillac being considered a performance car with 12 second quarter mile times, years ago, would have been unbelievable.

Guys, it's great days we're living in.

One more thing, these cars are turning great quarter mile times, not even talking about the ZL1 or Shelby, talking Camaro and Mustang, all of this is done with every creature comfort available, such as CD players, air conditioning, power this and that.

[SSBUSDRVR]

In an airport and have to run to catch a plane in a few moments....will address more later but:

>Baylor airforce - you continue to impress me with your understanding of many things - and this was a great post.

>BlueMaro - I'm sorry, but I don't think many people see that Chevrolet has been embarrassed......for many reasons.

First - Mustand is their performance car - it's their Camaro and their Corvette.
Second - you and I have no idea of how the 650hp will perform -- at least yet. (how do you get it to hook up?) Third - it's also about overall performance on a track - not just straightline - and if you DO want straightline, I'm sure that SLP/Berger/Tom Henry can get it for you for less.....
Lastly - let's look at the performance of Fomoco versus GM - show me their CTS-V family.

What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy.

More to come.

Safe Travels.

[y2k king]

as long as it's american muscle, i'm for it. as said in a previous post...it's just like the 60's again.

[lbls1]

The discussion between the two rivals is healthy IMO. Its best to look at the two cars objectively and realize the good points and shortcomings of each one.

I am relieved to hear that Chevy did see that Ford would up the ante on their GT500 (Ford would almost have to respond to the impending greatness of the ZL1). I firmly believe, since Chevy threw their hat into the ring with the ZL1, that ultimately the ZL1 will need to respond to the latest challenge from the GT500. It remains to be seen whether the ZL1 would need to tack on the entire 70 hp difference.

Whatever the outcome will be, I encourage Chevy (and Ford for that matter) to continue to promote, improve, and excite this segment with their camaro and mustang. It is a great time in the american performance field for these cars and the enthusiasts. The ZL1-GT500 war may go down as one of the fiercest battles in automotive history. More for us enthusiasts I say.

[GearBangr]

I am not surprised in the least bit to hear about this new 650hp mustang. I would be more surprised if they didn't respond. Some see it as a bad thing for chevy, but I think its great. All it means is more to come from both ford and chevy, maybe even dodge.
It always seems that ford is always quick to respond to camaro with somthing new.
But as was stated earlier, it is their halo car. So thats really their only thing to keep working on. While gm has z06 and zr1, and ctsv on top of the camaro. Speaking of I wonder if ford has tested this mustang on the ring, curious as to what times it would do.
I really really doubt it could better the camaro.