Chevrolet: why we lead to believe in a lie?

[OldJedi]

I am sorry but it more important to me what car I am driving than what other people do to their cars. I am sure that I am going steal (borrow) some ideas that other people do to their cars. What is the saying, copying is the sincerest form of flatery? Enjoy your car and remember to wave to our other Camaro brothers and sisters as they passby.

[Atlas]

I wouldn't go so far as a to say, a lie. Misinformation maybe, or remains to be seen. As far as what I've read on the forum, there has yet to be a complete ZL1 bumper conversion. Like Stieger said, It's a bit more than just the cover itself.

Originally Posted by bpmurr

No big deal. I can't tell you how many GT and V6 "GT500s" I've seen.

Must be worse for the Saleen Guys. My Favorite is the one I see almost everyday. An 05' stock V6 Mustang with Saleen windshield banner and Saleen license frames complete with a Saleen dealer cardboard license plate in the front.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by formare

You are not alone - synergy edition is not really limited (bunch of fake 2011 synergy cars running about) and plenty of v6 cars sport the SS badge right from the factory.

Take solice in knowing the ones who would recognize your beloved status symbol as a status symbol (ie the bumper shape) are few and far between. A vast majority of the billions of people on the planet will simply say, "interesting looking car, I like the bumper"

formare, Thank you for this post. I would like you to start a thread on the synergy edition not being limited. Maybe include the v6 cars sport the SS badge right from the factory? That one cannot possibly be true?
I would like to see more discussion on these two issues.
Back to this thread, as an enthusiast I do like being able to take time when I see any kind of muscle car that I am familiar with, to notice what the owner has done to it as far as mods. Nothing wrong with making a car "cooler" looking in MHO at all. What bothers me is when an enthusiast that is familer with these cars take 30 minutes to distinguish if said car he or she is enthused about is modded, or simply made to be a clone. A bumper alone
not so big of a deal. A enthusiast can say.. Hey cool they added a new bumper. It does not take 30 minutes to tell that the bumper has been upgraded for a "better look."
But when you take an average enthusiast and it takes 15 minutes to realize (exaggerating here on the times) that the bumper, the ground effects, the rear spoiler... all changed out right? You even get close to see for example the ZL1 headrests.... Then you say.. cool... This guy has a ZL1.... I wonder if he or she is on Camaro 5... Only to find out they take off from the red light and your listening for the sound of a super charger and all you hear is the loud burble of a V6...... How cares? No one but maybe the enthusiast that has spent 10 minutes checking over your nice ride only to determine they have been deceived. No biggie there right? I mean after all we all get deceived
when it comes to cars we are passionate about right? What difference does it all make? I don't know maybe its just me but it seems something is lost when one goes to that great length of deceiving one's self. If you want part of the look, fine add a part or two. No biggie. After all you are just modding the car to get the look ya want. I have no problem with that. Its when its taken to the extreme where the enthusiasm for your car stops with me. So if it does this for one person, what would others think? It don't matter anyway.

Case in point. Lets go a full 360 here. Fair nuff? As I am telling this story, I want you to play the 'part' of my little brother here. Ok?
You whether it be he or she... Is my little brother... And as my sibling you
own a very nice GENUINE 1999 SVT Ford Mustang Cobra Convertible.
You too are a enthusiast got it? You pull up in a parking lot at your neighbors store only to find a sheet of paper with a hand written note on it under your windshield wiper. The note reads like this: "Dear poser...... " "You should not drive around town like you "have something" its not. "You are a poser and real Mustang SVT Cobras have cobra badges here, there...and over here and there...and it should say "Cobra" on the bumper, over here and over there..
(Over here and over there meaning the actual factory spots.)
If you were my Brother, or if you came out to your new ZL1 and found a note where a person "thought" you were a poser? How would you feel. I know this is not something likely to happen to any one of us, and highly unlikely to repeat itself. If you do a google search on the topic, it ends up causing big stirs in other places. People toes getting stepped on, peoples feelings get hurt... The 5th gen camaro is a beautiful automobile. It really is. I cannot wait to get my first fifth gen and share in the joy with you guys/gals.
Add you a mod or two, keep it realistic...and don't overboard your self deceiving people... and try not to let it ruin you when you do see someone trying to pull a fast one...all im gonna say.

[toesuf94]

MY68RS: Here's the deal: It's going to be the imposters that get their butts handed to them when the REAL GT500 or ZL1 pulls up beside them at the lig..er...track! (No STREET RACING!!!) If they want to look like they can dance and can't...boom...bummer for them.

The fact is that there are imposters in EVERY automotive form known to man. Hell there are complete FAKE Ferraris Firebirds, Lambo Fieros, and Bugatti VW's built every year...so why get bent out of shape for a guy bolting on a flashier Camaro Bumper to his Camaro? There are companies that are selling brand new '69 Camaro bodies, 57 Chevrolets, 70 Mustangs, Cudas...does this harm the people with the real cars? No.

Let it be.

And Formare: I Love my "Fake" Synergy . Sorry that I loved the color. I did not put LT badges on it or paint the stitching green...I wanted leather, heated seats, Brembo brakes, and a V8...things the "real" Synergy did not offer when it came out. I am one of the people who BEGGED GM to give us a V8 Synergy Green car. I guess I am even worse as I copied the Synergy Edition Chronos car from Sema as well. Guess I better just finish it off and order that ZL1 Facia...what's that part number again?

[SnoopyAce7]

people were just defending GM's statement (I haven't seen it, just word of mouth) that it wasn't compatible with the SS and V6 so you're not alone. Don't jump too soon, because it hasn't been completely and successfully pulled off just yet. But hopefully we will know soon enough.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by SnoopyAce7

people were just defending GM's statement (I haven't seen it, just word of mouth) that it wasn't compatible with the SS and V6 so you're not alone. Don't jump too soon

Al Oppenheiser:
"One third of the ZL1 was redesigned from the SS it was based from. The front fascia/splitter/Hood are not interchangeable with the current SS."

Al Oppenheiser, Chief Engineer of the ZL1 (and Camaro in general)

[alcal1084]

I ASKED A GM MANAGER ABOUT PUTTING THE ZL1 RIMS ON AN SS, HE TOLD ME THEY WONT FIT, IN FRONT OF HIS BOSS, HIS BOSS LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID "ITS THE SAME CAR?" "WHY WONT IT FIT?" HE THEN CHANGED THE SUBJECT... LOOK I DONT KNOW WHY THEY TOLD US IT WONT FIT, BUT THE TRUTH IS ITS THE SAME CAR!!!

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by MY68RS

Al Oppenheiser:
"One third of the ZL1 was redesigned from the SS it was based from. The front fascia/splitter/Hood are not interchangeable with the current SS."

Al Oppenheiser, Chief Engineer of the ZL1 (and Camaro in general)

Dude, it is NOT a lie. The parts are NOT interchangeable. Can you go buy a ZL1 front facia, splitter or hood and put it on an SS with no problems at all?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Can you put them on by changing a bunch of other parts, yes.

Is a 4th gen 1998-2002 LS1 front bumper interchangeable with a 1993-1997 4th gen LT1 car?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Can you do the swap if you buy enough parts and change enough things, yes.

[vroomapunk]

Think about how many gen 5 camaro owners there are, and how many are actually going to get the fascia, lol.

Its probably safe to say, the majority of the people who mod their camaros are on C5, and of those the big mods are bowtie overlays, exhaust, and CAI, yet SO many members have stock intake, still have the trash cans under the back, and gold bowties, and that goes for the ones I see driving around that arent on C5 as well.

Most probably you will see 1 or 2 on the road with a ZL1 fascia, and a couple more at a show, but the other 90% of 5th gens you see wont be "ripping off" the ZL1, so no biggie.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Originally Posted by vroomapunk

Think about how many gen 5 camaro owners there are, and how many are actually going to get the fascia, lol.

Its probably safe to say, the majority of the people who mod their camaros are on C5, and of those the big mods are bowtie overlays, exhaust, and CAI, yet SO many members have stock intake, still have the trash cans under the back, and gold bowties, and that goes for the ones I see driving around that arent on C5 as well.

Most probably you will see 1 or 2 on the road with a ZL1 fascia, and a couple more at a show, but the other 90% of 5th gens you see wont be "ripping off" the ZL1, so no biggie.

I have to agree with you. It seems like much ado about nothing.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

: Can you go buy a ZL1 front facia, splitter or hood and put it on an SS with no problems at all?

Well... Lets see... Lets change the question up now after the question was asked will that make it better?
Al.... Can we go buy a ZL1 front facia, splitter or hood and put it on a SS with no problems at all?

Lets dodge around it all we want. We can twist it, analyze it, buy more parts swap out the engine, the frame, the wheels and tires now....
Because we asked Al if we put more money into our cars that MONEY SPENT being the only exclusion to all this... If we spend more money to replace all the parts, the bumper support the radiator core support and the the baffles, the lights... O well I guess in that case AL did not hear the question that was asked him? He didn't hear the guy asking him... "Well AL I got all this money to do whatever it takes to get these parts on... everything from the front facia to the facia support and radiator support are changed.... including my new fenders... are the Bumper, Hood, and facia interchangeable now?"
But wait.. we better not ask all the difficult questions to the camaro main engineer he might not know what he is talking about after all? Sorry, Al please forgive me for I am stupid and everyone wants to know if the Front Facia, splitter and hood are interchangeable AT ALL? And forgive me that I do not realize that 1/3 of the car can be changed back to be an SS.


Ok.... This would be Truth: Question to AL: "will the front bumper and T3 duct lighting be interchangeable with the 2010 -11 camaros and the current T3 ducts out in the market?"

Al telling the truth would be: "Joe C... at this time we cannot comment further on your question as we are only at preliminary details at this point but you may ask your question at a later time."

OR..."Joe C.... One third of the ZL1 was redesigned from the SS it was based from. The front fascia/splitter/Hood are interchangeable with the current SS if one changes out further required parts to make this change, but we do not recommend doing so as we do not know how this will affect your camaros current performance as we have not done the research as of yet, but Joe thank you for your question."

Or "Joe C.... we are currently looking at this as a possibility, thank you for your question."

But neither of these TRUTHS were how the question was answered!

I will say this one more time. A Lie.... OR.. a HALF TRUTH.....AVAILS US WHAT?................NOTHING
....it is...
and defend
it all you want...
does not make any
difference to me.....
is
A
LIE.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by MY68RS

Well... Lets see... Lets change the question up now after the question was asked will that make it better?
Al.... Can we go buy a ZL1 front facia, splitter or hood and put it on a SS with no problems at all?

Lets dodge around it all we want. We can twist it, analyze it, buy more parts swap out the engine, the frame, the wheels and tires now....
Because we asked Al if we put more money into our cars that MONEY SPENT being the only exclusion to all this... If we spend more money to replace all the parts, the bumper support the radiator core support and the the baffles, the lights... O well I guess in that case AL did not hear the question that was asked him? He didn't hear the guy asking him... "Well AL I got all this money to do whatever it takes to get these parts on... everything from the front facia to the facia support and radiator support are changed.... including my new fenders... are the Bumper, Hood, and facia interchangeable now?"
But wait.. we better not ask all the difficult questions to the camaro main engineer he might not know what he is talking about after all? Sorry, Al please forgive me for I am stupid and everyone wants to know if the Front Facia, splitter and hood are interchangeable AT ALL? And forgive me that I do not realize that 1/3 of the car can be changed back to be an SS.


Ok.... This would be Truth: Question to AL: "will the front bumper and T3 duct lighting be interchangeable with the 2010 -11 camaros and the current T3 ducts out in the market?"

Al telling the truth would be: "Joe C... at this time we cannot comment further on your question as we are only at preliminary details at this point but you may ask your question at a later time."

OR..."Joe C.... One third of the ZL1 was redesigned from the SS it was based from. The front fascia/splitter/Hood are interchangeable with the current SS if one changes out further required parts to make this change, but we do not recommend doing so as we do not know how this will affect your camaros current performance as we have not done the research as of yet, but Joe thank you for your question."

Or "Joe C.... we are currently looking at this as a possibility, thank you for your question."

But neither of these TRUTHS were how the question was answered!

I will say this one more time. A Lie.... OR.. a HALF TRUTH.....AVAILS US WHAT?................NOTHING
....it is...
and defend
it all you want...
does not make any
difference to me.....
is
A
LIE.

EVERYTHING is interchangeable if you spend enough $$$.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

EVERYTHING is interchangeable if you spend enough $$$.

Bro, please don't think I am trying to pick on you cause I am really not.
I think the question that was asked way back was a very important question that was asked. It was also keep in mind a question that the "voice" answered. I am not trying to nail AL to the rail road tracks either...
Nor does he owe us an explanation. If I come to you, and I say bro, ya know what.. I told you this a long time ago and I was in error when I told you that. That is up to you at that point to decide if you trust me. Its a trust thing and LOTS of things rolled up in one. AL is in a position to answer questions as these as precisely as possible. It is his JOB when it comes to this sort of thing. See, me and you have nothing to lose here. How do rumors start?
This is how. Only this time on a public forum its documented.
This is not a rumor. It was a legitimate question that was asked to the higher ups... You cant go any higher up than AL on this question. Al answered the question. C5 members have asked the same question. We repeat what we hear. If we hear the wrong thing from higher ups....well?
Wires get crossed things get misconstrued. This was a simple question that AL answered in his own words. How many c5 members that plan on modding theyre cars were waiting on this answer? He said NO. He did not say or even mention anything about MONEY... OR Fabrication to get it done....
He said No, and went on to explain No.

[CamarosThree]

I'm sorry I just don't understand why this is so important to you. If it's such a big deal just don't buy the car