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L99CAMA2011 · 12-07-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCamaroSS11

I will be racing on a abandoned air strip, which i have permission to use. The race would be from a roll (60 to 130 MPH). The subaru has exhaust, downpipes, intake, blow off valve, sway bars and lowering springs. I am not sure about the tune, but i have rode in the car and it feels similar to my camaro. My camaro- L99 with borla ATAK exhaust, K & N air intake.

DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE OF TAKING ME FROM A ROLL??????

-----is it worth doing a fuse pull/ would that effect anything?

THIS IS NOT STREET RACING!!!!!!!!

Abandon runway, Um Hmmmm! I think it's a drivers race.

IROCanSS · 12-07-2011, 09:55 PM

I ran an STi no sweat they arent much from a roll... its the launch you got to worry about but from 40, you got it easy. Just make sure your RPMs are up when you punch it... I.E. be in M mode and in 2nd gear.

RedRooster · 12-07-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

2010 or 2011 STI? Because a 2011 with bolt ons will toast you.

Also, assume he has to a tune because turbo cars really need them if you add bolt ons.

There's no difference between a '10 and a '11. The STi drivetrain really hasn't changed mechanically since it came here in 2003. Same basic engine, same basic transmission, etc.

big hammer · 12-07-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRooster

Try 305 at the crank stock.

You have this. Those cars really aren't that fast from a roll.

they're weak from a roll.

JamesNoBrakes · 12-07-2011, 10:52 PM

To compete with the higher end quarter mile, from a roll, and just overall top-end, they need pretty massive turbos usually, like GT35Rs, this type of car would be easy to spot with the huge front-mount intercooler, often hood-scoop delete, at that level many times running meth or nitrous. These monsters are often putting out 400awhp or more.

STI with exhaust and a tune? While it is a decent HP increase, more % wise than you'd get with a NA engine and would make you cry from a launch and pretty easily win around a track, it's not going to put it into realm of anything that's making near 400hp to the wheels.

STIs are tons of fun though, the way they claw to a turn and accelerate out of one puts a smile on your face. The gearing may suprise you if they catch it just right, but the number of shifts they have to make negates that.

LimaCharlie · 12-08-2011, 12:32 AM

I think you will have no problem since the race is starting from a roll. The top end power of your car is enough. I'd suggest manually shifting the car and start in a gear where you are already in the power band (probably 2nd).
It would be a different race if you started from a stop. The AWD STI will accelerate from you at the beginning and you will slowly pull on the car as speeds increase.

SGOS252382 · 12-08-2011, 10:51 AM

Please Read

If you're racing from a roll, its important to know the L99 A6 tranny's weak spots.

Just over 50mph to 60mph or so is a weak spot for an L99 A6. It puts the A6 at a low rpm in 3rd gear (not good for a roll start).

You would be much better off starting the race at 45 mph or so or up higher around 70mph.

45 mph puts the A6 in the sweet spot of 2nd gear. Also up around 70 mph, puts the A6 in the sweet spot of 3rd gear. But down around 55- 60mph is a bad speed to start a roll race in an A6.

kalimus · 12-08-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDan

Only retarded ricers swap out the factory STI BOV at that power level, and its probably even vented to the atmosphere which hurts performance.

QFT. Although with light mods, it's a pretty minor performance hit.

I came from an STI into my SS. And unless (and maybe even with) he has a tune with those light mods, you'll probably be fine from that speed. If it was from launch, I'd say forget it.

Beware of the tune though. I did only a full turboback, uppipe and tune on mine and I gained about 60 awhp. Those stock tunes are pretty conservative.

On the plus side, he didn't do like I used to... "You want to race? Ok, you pick the time, I'll pick the road..."

bill2129 · 12-08-2011, 04:09 PM

AWD is NOTHING in less you start from a dig. You would kill him from a roll.

DarkneSS · 12-08-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRooster

There's no difference between a '10 and a '11. The STi drivetrain really hasn't changed mechanically since it came here in 2003. Same basic engine, same basic transmission, etc.

Im not entirely sure you know what you are talking about.

OP my friend has the 2011 STI sedan. He only has bolt ons and a tune, ran a 12.1.

Bolt on 2011 will smoke a bolt on SS on the street and probably on the track.

Hes going to hook while you pray to hook and even if you hook well he will still probably beat you. Those cars are animals.

From a roll however youll probably edge him out.

cmiller8006 · 12-08-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by full of days

8>4

Not always, it comes down to money and mods just like always.

cmiller8006 · 12-08-2011, 06:40 PM

The sti with those mods is not to impressive really, I think at those speeds the camaro takes this one.

steeleshark2 · 12-08-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Im not entirely sure you know what you are talking about.

OP my friend has the 2011 STI sedan. He only has bolt ons and a tune, ran a 12.1.

Bolt on 2011 will smoke a bolt on SS on the street and probably on the track.

Hes going to hook while you pray to hook and even if you hook well he will still probably beat you. Those cars are animals.

From a roll however youll probably edge him out.

That is from a dig with all wheel drive. It is different from a roll. Also, to get that time, he had to boost the stock turbo. What was his trap speed? Stock, they trap at 100mph. Boltons without playing with the turbo will be just be a bit better. The guys doing lower 12's are boosting 21psi with the stock turbo to get there. Stock the turbo boosts 13psi from the factory.

cmiller8006 · 12-08-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by steeleshark2

That is from a dig with all wheel drive. It is different from a roll. Also, to get that time, he had to boost the stock turbo. What was his trap speed? Stock, they trap at 100mph. Boltons without playing with the turbo will be just be a bit better. The guys doing lower 12's are boosting 21psi with the stock turbo to get there. Stock the turbo boosts 13psi from the factory.

Any tuning you do to these cars nowadays turns the boost up, it is all in the computers.

12-08-2011, 12:32 AM	#20
LimaCharlie Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS - 2004 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,989	I think you will have no problem since the race is starting from a roll. The top end power of your car is enough. I'd suggest manually shifting the car and start in a gear where you are already in the power band (probably 2nd). It would be a different race if you started from a stop. The AWD STI will accelerate from you at the beginning and you will slowly pull on the car as speeds increase. __________________ 2011 Summit White Camaro 1SS/RS -6.2 LS3, TR6060, 3.45, G80 2004 Black Silverado 1500 2WD Regular Cab, Short Bed -5.3 LM7, 4L60E, 3.42, G80 2014 White Caprice PPV -6.0 L77, 6L80E, 2.92, G80

12-08-2011, 06:40 PM	#26
cmiller8006 Drives: 2009 Cobalt SS/TC Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 368	The sti with those mods is not to impressive really, I think at those speeds the camaro takes this one. __________________ 2009 Cobalt SS/TC: 10.89 at 133mph

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SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	Please Read If you're racing from a roll, its important to know the L99 A6 tranny's weak spots. Just over 50mph to 60mph or so is a weak spot for an L99 A6. It puts the A6 at a low rpm in 3rd gear (not good for a roll start). You would be much better off starting the race at 45 mph or so or up higher around 70mph. 45 mph puts the A6 in the sweet spot of 2nd gear. Also up around 70 mph, puts the A6 in the sweet spot of 3rd gear. But down around 55- 60mph is a bad speed to start a roll race in an A6.

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bill2129 Account Suspended Drives: 2085 Trans AM COBRA Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Chester County PA Posts: 676	AWD is NOTHING in less you start from a dig. You would kill him from a roll.