What should the GM answer be in response to the 2013 GT500 Crustang?

[Beck]

Originally Posted by hognutz

personally I don't know if I can tolerate another thread on this topic. I think there needs to be a forum just for this topic.

There is a section and it would be great to get these moved to the "Chevy Camaro vs..." section of the forums.

[Pain505]

Originally Posted by hognutz

personally I don't know if I can tolerate another thread on this topic. I think there needs to be a forum just for this topic.

There are really two options. be happy you have a better looking car or mod the car to have more hp.

what did people do before the ZL1? they modified an SS

exactly! And if the GT500 is faster then buy the GT500. Who cares if a car is faster. The r8 is faster than a zl1, a porsche is faster, a effin f1 car is faster! Get my point? There will always be somethin faster than you so just be content with what you can afford and dont look back


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[chain777]

Originally Posted by hognutz

okay what is your point. any car gets faster with DR. would not take more mods extra than a gt500 cost.

I could buy a 2012 45th avirsary 2ss and put an eforce on it for 45k out of pocket add dr and it would run with if not beat a gt500. what is the difference?? 45k out of pocket. 2012 car. cheapest 2012 GT500 on ebay 48.5k.

DR work both ways. am I missing something? the SS will still not handle great but the GT500 is not a world beater there either.

bottom line buy the car you like they both will go fast.

The difference is you would have a ticking time bomb by throwing an eforce on an engine that was never designed for forced induction, and have no warranty to boot.

But the OP's question is a valid one. With an effective 100hp advantage, no matter how you slice or dice it, the Mustang's going to have a performance advantage. What Chevy should do in my opinion is offer the LS9 as an option for '13. That would level the playing field.

[Drake Heminger]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

I'm the opposite.

I was not a fan of the Mustang during the 94-98 or 99-04 model years. They were too small for me to drive. I'm too tall.

The 2005+ S197 body style allowed me to sit inside comfortably, and I love the retro styling of a properly built customer stang.....not a ricer built crap.

True.

[gm_joe]

For starters they should install forged pistons in the ZL1 to give tuners some piece of mind. Second, retune the engine for 600hp. This is for the psycological effect. Then wait for the comparison between the two cars later this year.

[eolson]

I think for the current Camaro platform the ZL1 is a real home run and is taking all the multiple high performance factors to the limit.

Since a standard Camaro weighs about 3850 lbs, other than the Supercharger, what is adding weight to the ZL1 to make it 4120 lbs ? The ZL1 as I understand has a 51%/49% front, rear weight ratio. What is the standard Camaro's front to rear weight ratio, and how did the designers of the ZL1 maintain a 51%/49%, which is really good for adding a SC ?

Since the ZL1's excellent Nurburgring 7:41 time shows the car is really well balanced for it's weight, I'm curious what was done to the car to achieve this in terms of the added weight beyond the supercharger. Anyone?? Thanks, Erik

[lbls1]

If the GT500 proves to be faster, then the answer to this question (of what Chevy should do) will be crystal clear........either go big(ger) or go home! The only remaining question could be...when??

Chevy could wait until the next generation for retribution, but that may be a few years away. It would really not be good for this new ZL1 to get outclassed by its main rival, so IMO chevy will need to respond if the gt500 is more potent on the track.

[SlingShot]

There will always be someone faster, so what's the point ? All Ford has is the Mustang, Chevy still has the ZR1 as their top dog, and the Gt500 would have to lose a butt load of weight to compete.

[lbls1]

^So, then eliminate the zl1, and base the zr1 as the gt500's main competitor (simple answer). Problem: the corvette is quite different in its theme as compared with the mustang. The corvette is also much more expensive than the gt500, which could exclude a lot of chevy fans from participating in the competition.

I say if chevy made the effort to make a splash against the gt500, then to be successful it will have to compete with it. Unfortunately the game of competition requires re-thinking and improvement of the battle plan occasionally.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

What planet are you from?

Put $600.00 worth of drag radials on ANY otherwise STOCK 2007-2012 GT500, and the Camaro SS would require big money $$$$ in mods to even come close.

So, you're saying "mod it and it will go fast"????? OK. I think it's criminal that Ford once again produces a performance car that needs "bolt ons and another $600" to do what they intend for it to do. See my YouTube videos and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. A GT500 struggles to break into the 12s. Read any of the standard magazine tests and you'll see that none of them found a GT500 that would run the 12.2s Ford claimed they would run. Gees, just give me half the difference in price between a Camaro and GT500 and a set of DRs and a Camaro SS would easily run with any DR equipped GT500.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

There will always be someone faster, so what's the point ? All Ford has is the Mustang, Chevy still has the ZR1 as their top dog, and the Gt500 would have to lose a butt load of weight to compete.

Well and simply put.

Originally Posted by lbls1

^So, then eliminate the zl1, and base the zr1 as the gt500's main competitor (simple answer). Problem: the corvette is quite different in its theme as compared with the mustang. The corvette is also much more expensive than the gt500, which could exclude a lot of chevy fans from participating in the competition.

I say if chevy made the effort to make a splash against the gt500, then to be successful it will have to compete with it. Unfortunately the game of competition requires re-thinking and improvement of the battle plan occasionally.

Not sure we've seen a price on the GT500 yet, have you? I suspect it will remain reasonable, but my guess is it will be much more expensive and could well push 60K.

Do you want to make it a Chevy v Ford or a $ v $ comparison.

GM will likely (not saying never) make the Camaro their top track car or performance car. Ford has no choice....................that we no of yet.

[eolson]

ParisTNDude, couldn't the same thing be said about a 2011 Mustang GT and a Camaro SS?

Erik

[camslambam]

Here's a famous ls1tech quote for you all:

What are the similarities between a 400rwhp supra and a 700rwhp supra?
They both run 13s.

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well and simply put.



Not sure we've seen a price on the GT500 yet, have you? I suspect it will remain reasonable, but my guess is it will be much more expensive and could well push 60K.

Do you want to make it a Chevy v Ford or a $ v $ comparison.

GM will likely (not saying never) make the Camaro their top track car or performance car. Ford has no choice....................that we no of yet.

I doubt very seriously that the gt500 reg. production vehicle will approach the $115K asking price of a ZR1; Its a safe wager to say that it should be cheaper.

Yea....it should be a chevy to ford comparison. As for dollar to dollar value, its fine to say that but enthusiasts won't necessarily see the value of one car vs. another in a performance match up. Its nice, but we're talking about two very close competitors in the same car segment: 2x2 coupe rwd, v8 engine. There are just three competitors in this arena; the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger. By default I believe their costs will be (should be) close to each other.

Don't turn your back on Ford I caution you: We've just witnessed the result of taking Ford too lightly.