MOTORTREND Head 2 Head (more in-depth look from Inde) -ZL1 TAKES ON BOSS VIDEO :D

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Depends on your style preference. The Mustangs have a much more compact, narrow, rounded body vs. the Camaro's large, wide, sharp, carved line body. Much like the '68 Camaro vs. the '69. I think the rear of the new GT500 look awesome, but prefer the Camaro's sharp lines and wide, brute body overall, and the stance/wheelbase on the ZL1 is unmatched with the 305's in the rear

To me the Camaro has a stance that looks lower, wider, and more aggressive and smooth, and the Mustang's stance looks narrower and higher, and more square and box like. Therefore, the Camaro's proportions (and general styling) are more pleasing to me, and accordingly, the Camaro has more of a classic muscle car appearance to me than the Mustang does.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

136hp deficit...the ZL1 better f'n beat it!

True - but mind the comments regarding carrying speed through the corners better than the Boss.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

To me the Camaro has a stance that looks lower, wider, and more aggressive and smooth, and the Mustang's stance looks narrower and higher, and more square and box like. Therefore, the Camaro's proportions (and general styling) are more pleasing to me, and accordingly, the Camaro has more of a classic muscle car appearance to me than the Mustang does.

I've preferred the look of CAMARO to Mustang in nearly all generations. Your '69 is my favorite with the 5th Gen a very, very, very close second.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

136hp deficit...the ZL1 better f'n beat it!

Actually, it's the horsepower to weight ratio that is the relevant statistic, rather than simply the pure horsepower number.

[Trevorw24]

This matchup isn't realistic. The ZL1 should have no issue with a 440 HP car.

[Trevorw24]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Actually, it's the horsepower to weight ratio that is the relevant statistic, rather than simply the pure horsepower number.

True, but the ZL1 should be lighter.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Trevorw24

This matchup isn't realistic. The ZL1 should have no issue with a 440 HP car.

sin't realistic you say? Meh, no one will believe you.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

136hp deficit...the ZL1 better f'n beat it!

The Z06 and ZR1's ring times are pretty close to each other, a couple seconds if I remember correctly, despite the 130+ hp advantage of the ZR1. So power is not a cure all remedy.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

My body is ready

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by radz28

True - but mind the comments regarding carrying speed through the corners better than the Boss.

Carrying more speed is not related to power? lol

[radz28]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Carrying more speed is not related to power? lol

Huh? Well - if we're going to argue with semantics and talk in hyperbole, than I guess so I guess the chassis has nothing to do with carrying more speed through corners

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Carrying more speed is not related to power? lol

Here we go again.....

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Trevorw24

This matchup isn't realistic. The ZL1 should have no issue with a 440 HP car.

I'm curious as to why not? The Boss was supposed to be the best Mustang. ZL1 is the highest-performing CAMARO from the factory, so why not? I can see your point, and logically, I would prefer to see a GT500 up there, but I think more people probably wanted to see this match-up at least as much. The Boss, it seems to me, is nearly a factory racecar. ZL1 is not, yet it out-performs the Boss, not through acceleration (because it looks like the testing was conducted in a flying-start-format), so we can't really say there's an acceleration element that was favoring ZL1 all that much. Also - they commented how ZL1 only gained .4 of a second in terms of acceleration on the straight; the rest of the time, it was pulling away from the Boss (save for two corners).

I just happen to think this was a match-up more people wanted to see at this point. I believe more people want to see the '13 GT500, but we'll have to wait.

Originally Posted by Trevorw24

True, but the ZL1 should be lighter.

But it's not - so let it go.

[Trevorw24]

Originally Posted by radz28

I'm curious as to why not? The Boss was supposed to be the best Mustang. ZL1 is the highest-performing CAMARO from the factory, so why not? I can see your point, and logically, I would prefer to see a GT500 up there, but I think more people probably wanted to see this match-up at least as much. The Boss, it seems to me, is nearly a factory racecar. ZL1 is not, yet it out-performs the Boss, not through acceleration (because it looks like the testing was conducted in a flying-start-format), so we can't really say there's an acceleration element that was favoring ZL1 all that much. Also - they commented how ZL1 only gained .4 of a second in terms of acceleration on the straight; the rest of the time, it was pulling away from the Boss (save for two corners).

I just happen to think this was a match-up more people wanted to see at this point. I believe more people want to see the '13 GT500, but we'll have to wait.



But it's not - so let it go.

In my mind the GT500 is the clear rival to the ZL1. I believe it was built to rival that. Then the BOSS came along. Ford built an in-between the GT and GT500. Camaro doesn't have that currently. The BOSS is a unique car because it's racecar ready with the Leguna package. Without the Leguna I think the BOSS is more of a matchup with the SS. 426 to 444. But no matchup is ever totally fair. Overall, I think the less HP makes it an unfair fight. I can't wait to see the ZL1 against the 2013 GT500. I hope Chevy fires back and adds HP for 2013/2014.