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Old 06-17-2009, 07:54 PM   #15
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The plan will be to do a 20" first. So many people only want 20's. The load rating will determine the wieght as well. 690kgs which most cast and multipiece wheels are tested, will allow for a lighter wieght too. The GVW of the Camaro is 6942lbs divide by 4 and the wheels could see 1735lbs per corner converted equals 788kgs. Make sure your aftermarket wheels are load rated for you car, ask for test results so you know the wheel won't crack. At 1800lbs that's 818kgs, much stronger and will be heavier but there are plenty of bad roads in many parts of the US. Many of the spaghetti spoke wheels designs you see won't last, trust me...

As far as education, class is now in session. There is no such thing as triple chrome. It's copper plate (buff), nickel (buff) and then chrome. All my stuff has double nickel, a nickel strike and a bright nickel, which I guess you can call quadruple plating. Plating accounts for about a pound and a half.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:16 PM   #16
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The plan will be to do a 20" first. So many people only want 20's. The load rating will determine the wieght as well. 690kgs which most cast and multipiece wheels are tested, will allow for a lighter wieght too. The GVW of the Camaro is 6942lbs divide by 4 and the wheels could see 1735lbs per corner converted equals 788kgs. Make sure your aftermarket wheels are load rated for you car, ask for test results so you know the wheel won't crack. At 1800lbs that's 818kgs, much stronger and will be heavier but there are plenty of bad roads in many parts of the US. Many of the spaghetti spoke wheels designs you see won't last, trust me...

As far as education, class is now in session. There is no such thing as triple chrome. It's copper plate (buff), nickel (buff) and then chrome. All my stuff has double nickel, a nickel strike and a bright nickel, which I guess you can call quadruple plating. Plating accounts for about a pound and a half.
How do you arrive at a GVW of 6942 lbs for the Camaro? Unless I'm misunderstanding your acronym GVW is Gross Vehicle Weight... yes? GM states the GVW to be 3860 lbs.
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Gross Vehicle Weight (Rating) GVWR, he just didn't add the 'R'.

Good thread here, look forward to class

Can you please explain why it hurts old men when a young person talks about rims? LOL
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:31 PM   #18
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This is a great find! Evidence proves the point that large rims are not necessarily better, although some would say that they are better looking. The 20-inch rims are big enough for the Camaro if you aim for performance.
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that doesnt mean anything. how much did the wheels weigh? what kind of wheels were they? what kind of tires? what size tires? there no information in the post. the 22's i am going with are a total of about 20lbs lighter than the stock and the tires are a total of 5 lbs lighter than stock. all that weight off isnt alot, but its off moving mass. we will see how it accects my performance, but im sure its not going to be for the worse.
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:13 AM   #20
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Do not plan on racing my car and dont even know if there are any tracks in OC so 22s for me they fill the wheel wells better and bumblebee has 22s in the rear anyways
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that doesnt mean anything. how much did the wheels weigh? what kind of wheels were they? what kind of tires? what size tires? there no information in the post. the 22's i am going with are a total of about 20lbs lighter than the stock and the tires are a total of 5 lbs lighter than stock. all that weight off isnt alot, but its off moving mass. we will see how it accects my performance, but im sure its not going to be for the worse.
What 22's have you chosen and what tires that are lighter than 20's?
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:34 AM   #22
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Good post but most guys here are very old-school and want to go smaller on wheels and tires, not bigger. And I doubt anyone putting on 22"s is thinking about taking the Camaro to the Glen or Mid-Ohio or something.

And jeez, what are those E90 M3 guys getting when they shell out $60-70k? The G8GXP is just as fast for half the price. And about as good looking.

I drag race, so in a perfect world I would love to be able to swap my stock 20's out for some 15's with some 275-60-15 MT/DR's on them. Right now I have a spare Moser 12 bolt out of my 4th gen sitting around the house, I may be one of the 1st to go back to a live axle with old style brakes for racing. I doubt it though since I have plenty of other cars to race at this time.
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:33 AM   #23
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Personally, 18's or 19's would be fine with me, although the stock 20's are very nice looking wheels. Anyone know their actual weight?
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:50 AM   #24
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that doesnt mean anything. how much did the wheels weigh? what kind of wheels were they? what kind of tires? what size tires? there no information in the post. the 22's i am going with are a total of about 20lbs lighter than the stock and the tires are a total of 5 lbs lighter than stock. all that weight off isnt alot, but its off moving mass. we will see how it accects my performance, but im sure its not going to be for the worse.
Pretty sure of yourself there. The wheels are branded TWR, but production may be outsourced. The tires were Falken FK-452s; 245/30/22 front, 285/25/22 rear.

Unless you're going with an R-Comp or something like a Pilot Sport Cup, the nature of a taller tire with a shorter sidewall is not going to do you any performance favors. Bigger wheels demand shorter sidewalls. Because of this, those sidewalls need to be reinforced to support the weight of the car. They have to be stiffer or else they'd collapse and blow out. This means that in a straight line and in corners they're not going to give as much, if at all, which means the dynamic part of tire-traction-handling equation is gone, and all you're left with is the compound. Contrary to popular belief, lower, stiffer sidewall does not equal better handling. Up to a certain point, yes, the lower profile makes the car more crisp. However, if you go too low, like any tire you're going to fit on a 22, you're going to have sidewalls that are too stiff and sacrifice grip.
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Great info! Good thing I love the standard wheels
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:18 AM   #26
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I don't plan on going to the track. Mine will just be for wasting people on the highway. I'm gonna be going with LMR street stalker package plus intake manifold and ported heads. I already talked them about it they said that would put me at 550whp. So I think that whatever straight line performance that would be lost in that senerio will be minimal in the over all scheme of things. I'm also gonna have 3.90 gears so I think I will be fine
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I don't plan on going to the track. Mine will just be for wasting people on the highway. I'm gonna be going with LMR street stalker package plus intake manifold and ported heads. I already talked them about it they said that would put me at 550whp. So I think that whatever straight line performance that would be lost in that senerio will be minimal in the over all scheme of things. I'm also gonna have 3.90 gears so I think I will be fine

550whp and 3.90s? Enjoy blowing the tires off at 70. My buddy's CTS-V makes about 540whp and he runs a 275/18 drag radial. He was running a gutted 400whp Evo from a 60 roll. When he laid into the throttle, he went sideways across three lanes and back before getting the car back in shape running the Evo down at 120. That was on 18s and a hell of a sticker compound than you can get for a 22. Awesome to watch, but imagine what that car would've done on a 22" street tire.

And 22s aren't going to be fun in the city, especially with the tiny sidewalls you're gonna have to run. Unless you live in Staten Island, which doesn't count.
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