whats the truth!???

[90503]

Originally Posted by SBMARO'11

never said it was gms fualt its totally mine im just saying that my exhuast shouldent have anything to do with doing damage to the engine is what they specificly told me on the phone...

They might have been shooting from the hip about the headers, but even if they didn't, once they got into the engine, they'd be able to tell the damage is from no oil...It might be the same difference anyway...

...I've heard it a hundred times....modify the powertrain and the warranty is void...Good luck...

[SBMARO'11]

yeah well im looking into things bout bolt ons not voiding the engine warranty

[90503]

Originally Posted by SBMARO'11

yeah well im looking into things bout bolt ons not voiding the engine warranty

It's a judgement call...Headers wouldn't void the warrranty if a problem was unrelated, like say a problem with the brakes, or the a/c not working...But if it's tied in to the area that need repairs, they may be able to void the warranty, and if it's for a R and R on an engine, be prepared for an up-hill battle....Good luck again...

[GunnyG]

Damn bro! Sorry to hear this happened. Good luck.

[SPCBA]

ya goodluck. i like mark christopher of the 10 which is pretty far from you. the service dept there likes my headers and always wants to see and hear my car when i go there and oogle their cars.

so you had headers and no tune? if there was no tune you can try a different dealer...but in todays computer age you are already in the system.

[SBMARO'11]

Does Modifying My 2010 Camaro Void my Warranty?

Posted: March 8, 2010 in Uncategorized

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A very common question asked by new 2010 Camaro owners and many other people is, “I would like to increase performance in my Camaro by adding a cold air intake, exhaust, supercharger, etc but will it void my warranty?” Usually you will get many different answers such as, no you’ll be fine, or depends on the dealer and if they are cool with modifying cars. However that may be true in some circumstances, we need a more definate answer and something to back this up.
According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, you are protected under law. This law protects people who need warranty work even though they added performance parts to their car.
This is how the act reads as per the SEMA (Specialty Equipment Market Association) website (www.sema.org ).
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, Title 1, __101-112, 15 U.S.C. __2301 et seq. This act, effective July 4, 1975, is designed to “improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products . . ..” The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act applies only to consumer products, which are defined as “any tangible personal property which is distributed in commerce and which is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes (including any such property intended to be attached to or installed in any real property without regard to whether it is so attached or installed).” Under Section 103 of the Act, if a warrantor sells a consumer product costing more than $15 under written warranty, the writing must state the warranty in readily understandable language as determined by standards set forth by the Federal Trade Commission. There is, however, no requirement that a warranty be given nor that any product be warranted for any length of time. Thus the Act only requires that when there is a written warranty, the warrantor clearly disclose the nature of his warranty obligation prior to the sale of the product. The consumer may then compare warranty protection, thus shopping for the “best buy.” To further protect the consumer from deception, the Act requires that any written warranty must be labeled as either a “full” or a “limited” warranty. Only warranties that meet the standards of the Act may be labeled as “full.” One of the most important provisions of the Act prohibits a warrantor from disclaiming or modifying any implied warranty whenever any written warranty is given or service contract entered into.
This means that, under the provisions of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, an automotive dealership/carmaker cannot void your warranty because your vehicle has been modified with aftermarket parts. They (the manufacturers) have to prove that the failure was the direct result of the installed aftermarket part. Unfortunately, too many folks have gone to a dealer to have warranty service performed on their modified vehicle only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states, that because of the aftermarket parts installed, the warranty is void (without even attempting to determine whether or not the aftermarket part caused the problem). This is illegal…period.
Examples of aftermarket installations that COULD cause the voiding of a vehicle’s warranty.
Example 1:
You install a set of 4.10 gears and a short shifter in your car. A few weeks later you notice a whining noise comming from the rear end. You take it to the dealer to see what is wrong and they say the gears were installed incorrectly, and or tampered with. They will probably not cover that because the stock drivetrain was tampered with.
Example 2:
You install a brand an indash dvd/navigation in to your vehicle and soon after your guages aren’t working or there is some type of electrical problem happening. A dealer may not cover this problem with your warranty because obviously the wiring was touched by someone else and could have casused a short in the computer.
Examples of aftermarket installations that COULD cause the voiding of a vehicle’s warranty.
Example 1:
You install a cold air intake, cat back exhaust, and a 160 degree thermostat on your car. Some time goes by and you notice your blinkers are not functioning properly. You take it to the dealer to get fixed. Unless a dealer can prove that installing all of these parts has something to do with the blinkers malfunctioning they cannot turn you down. That is when you should show them the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975.

[2010SSRSM6]

Do you have the 4 gauge pack? No oil should have caused an audible alarm that told you to shut your car off immediately because you wouldn't have oil pressure.

If that didn't happen, you should be able to get some help from a dealership.

Good luck


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[KaBoom1701]

I would think there would have been a "engine oil low" warning?

Doesn't the RS have a oil pressure gage? Well I would just install all your OEM parts and take it to another dealer...

[SBMARO'11]

exactly i dont have that oil guage but no indicator poped up UNTILL AFTER the car shut down...

[SBMARO'11]

what comes down to it my dealer assuming my aftermarket parts cuased the engine to blow but in reality it was due to no oil...they are going behid the magnuson-moss warranty act of 1975!

[MikeSVX]

The oil warning isn't all that dependible. I found that out recently. I was about due for oil change (25%) on the display. I started it up one day and the alarm came on for low oil. It was the first time I ever had an issue with oil on my SS. Thought it was odd. I shut it down and check the stick. No oil on the stick. I didn't think too much about it, but decided not to drive since nothing on stick meant at least 2 quarts low. I decided to just do an oil change since it was close anyway. The SS holds 7 quarts. I did the change using a 5 quart jug and bought 3 one quarts. I drained the oil out changed the filter and filled it back up. I always put the old oil in the empty containers to take them into the parts place. The old oil was very black and smeeled burnt. I will start changing the oil when its says 50%. That is too long. Also, The old oil didn't even fill the 5 quart jug. This means that the low oil alarm didn't even come on until the oil was half empty. I don't know where the oil went. I haven't noticed any leaks, but I'm now am checking the level frequently and looking more intently for a leak until I figure out what happened.

[MARINE1991]

OIL get burnt up by the engine so By the time you need you to change your oil its lower then when you got the first put the new oil in.... the longer you go without changing the oil the lower your oil will be when you do change it. if you get a oil catch can you can see this but the can does not catch 100 percent of the oil. its just a nice to have in my book.

[Kronix]

Originally Posted by SBMARO'11

what comes down to it my dealer assuming my aftermarket parts cuased the engine to blow but in reality it was due to no oil...they are going behid the magnuson-moss warranty act of 1975!

If I'm not mistaken the MM Act protects you and makes the dealer prove that what you did caused the problem, which of course it did not.

Keep in mind that all engines burn oil, some faster than others. My wife's Benz will burn about about a quart every 2 months, so I usually just add to bring it up to standard level.

Good luck.

[VR Baron]

On this oil thing, back when I traded in my 2010 v6 there were guys reporting sudden huge oil consumption,I mean top v6 guys that paid attention to their cars, 4 qts anyway. On some 2010 and maybe 2011's if oil was getting old and not changed it would cause the timing chains to wear and stretch causing oil to go through the valves. If you werent aware, suddenly no oil! My car was in the alleged build time frame to.Another reason I traded it.Since then Chevy came out with new chains to replace the old design. Other v6 cars had the issue also