Camaro suspension bad for performance?

[PfadtRacing]

Originally Posted by UsedTaHaveA68

The magnetorheological shocks are only available in the ZR-1. (I'm assuming that's what you meant?)

The Mag ride control is available in the C6 F55 package and on the ZR1. It isn't available for the Z06 and frankly it isn't very impressive.

[UsedTaHaveA68]

Gotcha. I knew it wasn't on the Z06 anyway.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by njhardc0re

So my friend tells me his brother bought a z06 instead of the Camaro because the suspension is apparently really crappy. He heard things from the guys at SLP (based in Toms River NJ) that the suspension is so bad it causes a lot of power loss to the wheels. Has anyone heard of such a thing?

-Todd

The setup in the Camaro does have a higher loss than the Corvette does, but its only a couple percent. That said, your brother has a lot to learn if he thinks that it is solely the suspension that results in the Z06 out performing the Camaro. Having around 20% more power and nearly 20% less weight come to mind as being slightly more important than having 2% less driveline loss.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

We are asked all the time how the Camaro compares to a ZO6. We can tell you the Pedders Camaro will EAT a Z06 and possibly a ZR1. There are some big issues with the Camaro suspension for sure. But Pedders knows what they are and know how to overcome them. We will very soon, probably at Gingerman Racetrack, show and proof how the zo6 is inferior to the Pedders Camaro and will go after the ZR1. We still need to program the PCM, and upgrade the clutch and engine oil cooler at BackStreet.

Eating a Z06 is easy. And we think we are at the ZR1 level with our Pedders Camaro.

More to come

mike
dms

[Memphis]

^Those are some pretty big claims, maybe you can get someone from PlanetLSX or a mag to cover it

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by Memphis

^Those are some pretty big claims, maybe you can get someone from PlanetLSX or a mag to cover it

Not big claims. Even Jordan says he can get a Miata to do better than a Z06.

We did a testing in New Jersey on the Pedders G8. .99g on skid pad. Pedders G8 was 1.05gs. On the open track, we were significantly faster on the track than a stock Z06. Pete was within .5 sec I think of the GTR Vette qualifying time.

With the work that we have done on the Pedders Camaro, we have found the Camaro seriously out-handles the Pedders G8. A lot of this has to do with the weight of the Camaro and the larger tires. The Pedders Camaro weighed in at 3885 and the Pedder G8 weighed in at 4263. The other 2 Camaros that we have corner weighed averaged 4085 average. That s nearly 200lb lighter. The Pedders Camaros wheels are a lot lighter for sure. Plus the Camaro has say 600 rear hp or will have and the Pedders G8 is in the 525 rear hp range I think.

But we will document these readings for all to see and even witness if yo would like. After the final work is done at Back Street Performance, we will have our testing at I think Gingerman and pro drivers doing the tests. Our goal is no longer the Z06, but to see how it compares to a stock ZR1.

thanks
mike
dms

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by dms

Not big claims. Even Jordan says he can get a Miata to do better than a Z06.

We did a testing in New Jersey on the Pedders G8. .99g on skid pad. Pedders G8 was 1.05gs. On the open track, we were significantly faster on the track than a stock Z06. Pete was within .5 sec I think of the GTR Vette qualifying time.

With the work that we have done on the Pedders Camaro, we have found the Camaro seriously out-handles the Pedders G8. A lot of this has to do with the weight of the Camaro and the larger tires. The Pedders Camaro weighed in at 3885 and the Pedder G8 weighed in at 4263. The other 2 Camaros that we have corner weighed averaged 4085 average. That s nearly 200lb lighter. The Pedders Camaros wheels are a lot lighter for sure. Plus the Camaro has say 600 rear hp or will have and the Pedders G8 is in the 525 rear hp range I think.

But we will document these readings for all to see and even witness if yo would like. After the final work is done at Back Street Performance, we will have our testing at I think Gingerman and pro drivers doing the tests. Our goal is no longer the Z06, but to see how it compares to a stock ZR1.

thanks
mike
dms

[GTAHVIT]

Track pack (when/if available) or pedders....

Hmmm.

[GrnMchin]

To the OP why the question? Need more specifics if your looking to buy and or race their is a solution, but I see this ending badly! Their is a lot of help here like stated by dms that can steer this in the right direction.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

for the Camaro to be a serious Z06 eater in a track environment, there needs to be some hp increases, and better tires.

But here is the suspension package that will get you there:
PEDDERS CAMARO EXTREME XA TRACK SYSTEM
Part # Pedders Compnent
160086 Camaro eXtreme Xa Multi Adjustable Coilover Kit By Pedders with 8kg/mm Front and 10kg/mm Rear Coil Rates
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit
EP1200 Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack Bush
EP6577 CAMARO Front Radius Rod Bushing
TBA Zeta Rear Control arm - Upper inner rear
EP7264 Zeta rear lower control arm inner
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
PDUSA5420 ZETA REAR EXTENDED CAMBER, TOE ADJUSTERS, FRONT CASTER & CAMBER ADJUSTERS
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
TBA Camaro eXtreme sway bar adjustable kit Price is erstimate!!


It is interesting what we find as we do more and more Camaros. We have done maybe 10 complete systems, less bars. We are seeing major variations in the rear, upper rear control arm bracket. We have seen 2 of them approx 1mm wider than normal. We have a fix for it, but will be modifying the bushing so DIY's have no issues. We think it is a issue of tolerance variations of the OE bushings being pressed in. This is not a big deal, but it is the persuit of perfection.

Please note that this kit includes a complete alignment bolt package, to be able to adjust front caster and make front camber easier. Then the rear eccentrics for camber and toe that offer greater durability and adjustability. Dropping the Camare can limit your adjustability to the point where you may not be able to get the angles you need.


Now in our Merlin online store, this package does not appear with the info above. But will be updated very soon.

thanks
mike
dms

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by dms

for the Camaro to be a serious Z06 eater in a track environment, there needs to be some hp increases, and better tires.

But here is the suspension package that will get you there:
PEDDERS CAMARO EXTREME XA TRACK SYSTEM
Part # Pedders Compnent
160086 Camaro eXtreme Xa Multi Adjustable Coilover Kit By Pedders with 8kg/mm Front and 10kg/mm Rear Coil Rates
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit
EP1200 Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack Bush
EP6577 CAMARO Front Radius Rod Bushing
TBA Zeta Rear Control arm - Upper inner rear
EP7264 Zeta rear lower control arm inner
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
PDUSA5420 ZETA REAR EXTENDED CAMBER, TOE ADJUSTERS, FRONT CASTER & CAMBER ADJUSTERS
EP7321 Zeta Camaro Rear Toe, and trailing arm links in and out.
TBA Camaro eXtreme sway bar adjustable kit Price is erstimate!!


It is interesting what we find as we do more and more Camaros. We have done maybe 10 complete systems, less bars. We are seeing major variations in the rear, upper rear control arm bracket. We have seen 2 of them approx 1mm wider than normal. We have a fix for it, but will be modifying the bushing so DIY's have no issues. We think it is a issue of tolerance variations of the OE bushings being pressed in. This is not a big deal, but it is the persuit of perfection.

Please note that this kit includes a complete alignment bolt package, to be able to adjust front caster and make front camber easier. Then the rear eccentrics for camber and toe that offer greater durability and adjustability. Dropping the Camare can limit your adjustability to the point where you may not be able to get the angles you need.


Now in our Merlin online store, this package does not appear with the info above. But will be updated very soon.

thanks
mike
dms

Can you fix too put the right #

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Can you fix too put the right #

The highlighted p/ns you did are the correct number.

mike
dms

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Yes i am aware of that put you put the same #, 3 times.

[mickss]

Originally Posted by njhardc0re

So my friend tells me his brother bought a z06 instead of the Camaro because the suspension is apparently really crappy. He heard things from the guys at SLP (based in Toms River NJ) that the suspension is so bad it causes a lot of power loss to the wheels. Has anyone heard of such a thing?

-Todd

http://www.slponline.com/

Your friend`s brother is referring to Street Legal Performance which at one time during the 90`s was producing after market performance parts for Camaro`s and Corvette`s which if I`m remembering correctly G.M. approved of for warranty purposes, I may be wrong on the warranty part.

As for suspensions I don`t believe SLP was involved with suspension development as much as their main focus was engine R&D, so I really don`t understand how your friends brother heard SLP discussing suspensions?

Producing 0.87 lateral G`s is hardly a "crappy suspension" if he was referring to a moderate understeer condition, then may-be that might be considered as crappy.