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That means the v8 will get into 4 seconds range... which will be awesome.
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When the top dog Camaro will have 500+hp how can anyone be satisfied with
280-300 hp? Sorry, but thats how I feel. The Camry's, Accords, Altimas, (family sedans) etc are approaching or already making 300hp. It would be sad to get beat at a red light by a V6 Camry or Accord in a new Camaro. Or to be beat down by Mustang GT's. |
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well, one thing to keep in mind is that for pricing, you have to add some to the price of a mustang to compare. as each year goes by, inflation takes its toll. i strongly agree that the v-8 model will blow away the v-6 model, but something to keep in mind is the fact that the proposed v-6 for the new camaro will be coming out with more hp than the v-8s of the past. with greater fuel economy to boot. hell, ill take a 300hp v-6 camaro over a 295hp v-8 mustang for 6k less anyday. again with the pricing, i can almost guarantee you that each camaro model will cost slightly more than its respective mustang counterparts. that being said, i can assure you it wont be that large of a difference, (talking 1-2k at most). but when you look at the performance you are getting for that extra little bit, its not even close. 300hp v6 vs 210hp v-6 priced close to each other. not a contest and im actually hoping for a 4 banger camaro to come out, cus a lot of the kids out there whos parents will be buying them a new car, dont know how to handle 300hp. thats why 90% of peoples first car is a junker. and plus it will come down to what the parents decide to buy as well, if they dont want their child to have that kind of hp, they can always buy a ford.
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I've been saying this all along. Taking into consideration the gas prices the V6 will be the best selling Camaro in the long run. As I've said before and as MerF agrees rental cars, young drivers and the cost concious will snap these 6V Verts & Coups in a heart beat!...And bless there little hearts, as this will build the foundation for the 5th Gens life span... Alowing us "V8 thunder hungry gear heads" to have our 500hp+ beast!
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I don't think Bob Lutz is full of sh**.
They are detuning precisely so the V6 won't be the best model in the lineup. Very simple economics of profit being much higher with a more expensive, optioned V8 model. "In the Camaro, the 3.6 liter’s horsepower should be around 260, Lutz said, Fuel economy, he said, will be around 17 mpg city and 25 highway. That would place the V6 Camaro among best in class for a performance car." "Most enthusiast attention has focused on the Camaro’s V8 engine, which is likely to be a 6.0-liter with about 400 hp. Lutz said the V8 will have a cylinder cutoff system that shuts down half the engine when the car reaches cruising speed. That will help it get better fuel economy. " But Lutz said he thinks most buyers will opt for the V6 because the performance will be strong, especially when the engine is combined with a manual transmission. “Back in the old days, if you wanted a muscle car, to get a decent one, you had to buy the V8,” Lutz said. “And if you bought the V6, you got a fairly rough, unrefined pushrod engine with low horsepower and weasely performance. “This time, the V6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times. And now the V6 is in its own right a very fast, very legitimate car.” SOURCE: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../FREE/86927553 By the way, the G8 GT (V8) gets 15 mpg city and 24 mpg hwy. Lutz says the V6 Camaro will get 17mpg/25mpg. Just like the G8, the V6's will rot on the lot, and the V8's will be sold out. 15/24 with 400hp or 17/25 with 260hp - no comparison. s
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For me, I think one of the biggest determining factors is this...
Does the V8 require PREMIUM gas? |
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You can use regular if you like, but it has been shown that the extra horsepower you get with premium, makes up for the extra cost because the car goes further on a gallon of gas. Google for more info...
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I do think the DI'd 3.6 will be detuned slightly. I'd place money that it will come in between 280-300, and not 260. Lutz had his engines confused when he made that statement. |
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“This time, the V6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times.” If he's that confused, I don't think it's a good thing for GM. I don't believe that to be the case IMO. b
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V6: ~300 hp base V8: atleast IMO ~380 hp I dont think there will be any problem with the V6 taking away sales of the V8. The V6 is the base engine and should have the majority of the sales anyway.
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You may want to read exactly what Maximum Bob said- http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../FREE/86927553 "Lutz confirmed to Automotive News that the V6 version of the Camaro will be powered by the same high-tech V6 used in the Cadillac CTS. It’s a direct-injected, 3.6-liter four-cam V6.
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"The 2010 Camaro V6: So powerful you won't need to apply badging from higher level models!" or perhaps: "The 2010 Camaro V6: So fast it doesn't need stickers or a chrome stovepipe exhaust!" Oh yeah! |
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I think they may SAY the V6 will have 260, but I think it will really have ~300ish. I have the feeling it could be underrated. I also have a feeling the G8's L76 may be underrated but I'm just taking a guess here because it seems to have some killer performance as the LS3 vette's seem to dyno more HP than expected.
As for me, all I want is the base V8 and I will be the happiest person in the world. Delete some mufflers and I'll be happier. |
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