Thinking about leaving the Fords and getting an SS

[christianchevell]

Chevrolet making the Camaro with so many options made the Camaro a much better choice for consumers money wise as well as mechanically and consistently out sold the mustang for the run of the 5th generation. I belong to True delta a car repair reliability reporting site. If you were on there long enough it would show the problems that are more with one brand versus another. Of instance the mustangs had a lot of automatic transmission problems lately and their "insync" bites and they are less reliable than a Camaro generally and the dodges.... they are even worse.

The Camaro prompted Ford to have to install a lot of optional equipment as factory standard instead of optional or not even available. The over head cam of course can be a nice engine for some who like to eventually tear the whole front end off to do the giant rubber band. Sure its old school tech the pushrod engine, but all manufacturers still make them and they are more reliable and also cheaper to build. Though we may have problems with little annoyance issues with maybe the ls3 chain dampener being lame compared to the ls2 and more prone to break, or the bypass on the oil pump sticking that's about it.... for the LS3, its easier and cheaper to build than the competition. The L99 with VVT and AFM can be altered to ditch the AFM which is a stupid thing many cars have.

Gm and Dodge both prompted Ford to come to IRS and that's the fact jack, and we generally braked better and handled better than the mustang and that's about it. sure the Mustang looks nice, as does the challenger. But one has what is the engine most desirable to transplant to other vehicles and retro fit and its not ford or dodge...

SO you think of your h.p. being Scary...lol well its most likely that straight axle you have out back and the light weight, You should be able to accomplish that on a good used ls3 Camaro ss by installing a CAI, long tube headers and a tune and not even messing with the engine, or go big and go FI and be able to worry more about the suspension and rears longevity....

[CamaroCracka]

My advice would be, whatever you do, just don't come on a site for GenV Camaro owners and bash the platform. It's in bad taste and not received well.
I've worked on the Ford Modular stuff and LS motors (among others) and I can say unequivocally the LS platform is easier to work on and modify. I hear you can do a lot with just a tune on the current Coyote platform, but I can also say that supercharging an LS will yield a lot more than 450 whp, e.g. junkyard 5.3 turbos generally produce 650hp fairly easily.


The things I didn't like about the current Ford engines are:
1. Physical size vs displacement.
2. You generally have to pull the motor to do any engine mods.
3. Cost of upgrading cams (although there are some pretty pricey cam swaps on here)
4. You have to spin them over 8k to get real power, which sux on the street. (think old big block small block argument) RPMs kill engines. I would rather run boost or nitrous at 6k than wind any motor out to 8k or more. I realize there are types of racing where a high RPM motor is a big advantage, but I'm not into that.

With all that said, when I bought the GenV I was looking for an A body Baracuda to build since I was really Mopar guy when it came to racing. The GenV reminded me of the 67 GenI I wanted when I was in high school. The power is as good or better than any old muscle you will find and you can have it on a highly reliable platform with AC. I was also looking at Challengers, but my experience with Dodge and Ford are that once you go past 100k, lots of little annoying stuff starts to fail. I have not had the problem with Chevy.

You can race any platform, but I've always enjoyed the challenge of pushing the big girls down the track just as fast as the popular smaller platforms. However, if you really love your Mach, you probably will always find things you don't like about the GenV and never be happy with it.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by V8forlife

So I guess the reason I'm here is to see if I can be swayed over to the DARK SIDE instead of getting another Mustang.

Well now see... there's part of your problem. You're already on the DARK SIDE and don't even realize it. What you need to do is come to the light and let a Camaro set you free! But don't feel bad. Mustang lovers have long been mistaken about the supposed superiority of their idolized vehicles. Just because Ford started the "Pony Car" thing, doesn't mean they do it better than the competition - and they don't.

Your eyes are finally open... now come to the light. Experience "Permagrin"! You'll be glad you did.

[drew peacock]

2005 to 2014 mustang drives like a pos compaired to the camaro..i had 3 s197 mustangs..
that lump of steel they call suspension is an utter joke..
the camaro destroys it at road holding

[Ace0751]

I think this thread was suppose to bash the stang but got something else lol. In other words

[drew peacock]

you cant give a modern car suspension from a 1975 ford taunus and expect it to drive good.
above 100mph the s197 is a death trap
convertable s197 is the worst handling car i have ever owned and driven..i owned mine vert for a few weeks...it had to go

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

you cant give a modern car suspension from a 1975 ford taunus and expect it to drive good.
above 100mph the s197 is a death trap
convertable s197 is the worst handling car i have ever owned and driven..i owned mine vert for a few weeks...it had to go

Are you F'ing serious? My Mustang handles extremely well over 100 mph, just as good as my Camaro. Maybe you don't know how to drive.

[drew peacock]

driven over 1000 000 miles..driven everything..hated my mustang..my last was a 2010 gt.
1975 taunus suspension plan and simple...terrible terrible car to drive..
i get to drive many german cars at work so i know how a modern car should feel..

camaro is light years ahead in everway...

[paul84043]

I'm not a brand snob, I look at the facts. It's nice to see Ford finally upping the ante with the last few top end Stangs and even cave and to go independent rear suspension.
They have had nagging issues for far too long and have refused to acknowledge them.
Their suspension sucks and their brakes suck. Not bashing, it's just the way it is. Body roll? By the Costco sized bag full.
Don't even get me going on the Defa-kat. (hellcat) At least Ford employs some engineers. Dodge? they're all working on the Viper.
If you're thinking about jumping ship, now is a fantastic time with the %20 off black Friday going on. I just scored a 1LE for 34k...

[drew peacock]

go on the mustang forums
almost every thread is with people having endless problems..
i owned a 1975 taunus and was shocked how similar the s197 felt..
op forget an s197 dude get a camaro..such a nice car to drive with few issues to deal with..

[qcman]

I shopped both cars before buying mine and the Camaro was a much nicer looking car to me. If I were looking at 15's the Mustang would get a serious look as I really like the new styling and tip my hat to Ford on that one... I know a 2013 Mustang is a bit quicker than my L99 auto but its a fun car and is faster than most on the roads where I live. My car is tuned now so thats all I needed to get it feeling the way I wanted it to be.

It hasn't been mentioned but the fat ass hips on the Gen 5 are truly gorgeous IMHO and it was a big factor in me choosing this car..

[V8forlife]

Wow lots of replies. Not going to reply one-by-one, but yeah I will def be giving each car a good long drive. I haven't owned four Mustangs because I hate Chevy or something. (The dark side comment was a joke) It's because I preferred the looks of the pre-2005 Mustangs to the older gen Camaros and I couldn't afford anything newer until recently.

I'm more into straight line performance than corner carving, but that might just be because taking one at more than 25 in a Mustang gets scary. Getting the performance to match my 450 rwhp Mach 1 in a gen 5 Camaro sounds like it's simple as heads/cam/intake and a dyno tune. Is that right? What's the typical cost of getting a shop to install that, including parts and dyno tune? $2500-3000?

[V8forlife]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

My advice would be, whatever you do, just don't come on a site for GenV Camaro owners and bash the platform. It's in bad taste and not received well.

Are you saying I'm bashing the platform or were you talking to somebody else, because I don't see where I did that...

[Ace0751]

Originally Posted by V8forlife

Wow lots of replies. Not going to reply one-by-one, but yeah I will def be giving each car a good long drive. I haven't owned four Mustangs because I hate Chevy or something. (The dark side comment was a joke) It's because I preferred the looks of the pre-2005 Mustangs to the older gen Camaros and I couldn't afford anything newer until recently.

I'm more into straight line performance than corner carving, but that might just be because taking one at more than 25 in a Mustang gets scary. Getting the performance to match my 450 rwhp Mach 1 in a gen 5 Camaro sounds like it's simple as heads/cam/intake and a dyno tune. Is that right? What's the typical cost of getting a shop to install that, including parts and dyno tune? $2500-3000?

Depending on cams install that could be around $2500 right there. But with headers, cams, intake, dyno, you're probably looking about $4000 total but again depends on what kind of cams you go with if you do plan on going to Camaro. Ported heads you can probably add another $500 and up I believe, could be wrong though.