Twin turbo or Procharged/Ecs set up for 9 sec 1/4

[Unreal]

Any of them can run 9s if that is your goal. Focus on drivetrain/launching/suspension. Making power with a F series, ECS kit, or about any of the turbo kits isn't an issue.

I wouldn't even mess with a built 6l80e. Do a 6l90 or just do a 4l80. 4l80, decent sized stall, and basic twin kit at ~700rwhp will run 9s all day on any decent tire.

[Taco Time]

Originally Posted by Unreal

When Hellion says standard system them are probably talking about their "standard" low mount system that they have had out for years before the show car crowd wanted a top mount system. There is a reason they did that system first. It will support more power. The top mount system is limited by downpipe size. The bottom mount systems (Hellion, AGP, Fabberge) will all support more power, spool quicker, and have less long term issues than a top mount system. They are also MUCH cheaper when you add it all up, and install cost is much much cheaper and easier. Also no issues with melting plugs, PS pumps, hoses, wires, etc like some other kits have.

I know 6 AGP cars all making between 1400-1600rwhp.

AGP comes with cast parts for reliability. All hot parts are ceramic coated. Comes complete bolt on, no modding, no extras needed. Catchcan, plugs, wires, filters, vacuum hoses, coating, etc.

AGP has choices in FMIC, from a smaller one for road racers to a FREAKING huge one. No cost difference, just options to get what works best.

Most options on turbos too. BW, Garret, Precision, Zetas, etc.

I still want to see a top mount system do a 1/2 mile or 1 mile pull without melting stuff. A dyno pull with the hood up is one thing, a 1-5th gear pull in a 1/2 or 1 mile course is where stuff gets interesting. Or a hot summer day where you have been driving for awhile then do a nice 3-4th gear pull.

No he's talking about the top mount eliminator system.

I can't comment anything other than conjecture on whether one can support more HP than the other.

Agree that the AGP kit is cheaper.
I like that the AGP comes ceramic coated already. And that it has more turbo options than the Hellion.

Mine will be a true test on the heat for Hellion. S TX and I'll be driving it hard come summer time. So we shall see how it holds up. As opposed to regurgitated misinformation. I've heard both good and bad on heat issues.

[Unreal]

Dual 2.5" pipes won't support 1400hp. Simply won't happen on the Camaro system. The mustang system or other systems that run dual 3s will.

[SantosNL]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Any of them can run 9s if that is your goal. Focus on drivetrain/launching/suspension. Making power with a F series, ECS kit, or about any of the turbo kits isn't an issue.

I wouldn't even mess with a built 6l80e. Do a 6l90 or just do a 4l80. 4l80, decent sized stall, and basic twin kit at ~700rwhp will run 9s all day on any decent tire.

Where could I get or look for a 6l90? I don't really want to do 4l80 because I like to roll race as well

[HELLION TURBO]

Originally Posted by Unreal

When Hellion says standard system them are probably talking about their "standard" low mount system that they have had out for years before the show car crowd wanted a top mount system. There is a reason they did that system first. It will support more power. The top mount system is limited by downpipe size. The bottom mount systems (Hellion, AGP, Fabberge) will all support more power, spool quicker, and have less long term issues than a top mount system. They are also MUCH cheaper when you add it all up, and install cost is much much cheaper and easier. Also no issues with melting plugs, PS pumps, hoses, wires, etc like some other kits have.

I know 6 AGP cars all making between 1400-1600rwhp.

AGP comes with cast parts for reliability. All hot parts are ceramic coated. Comes complete bolt on, no modding, no extras needed. Catchcan, plugs, wires, filters, vacuum hoses, coating, etc.

AGP has choices in FMIC, from a smaller one for road racers to a FREAKING huge one. No cost difference, just options to get what works best.

Most options on turbos too. BW, Garret, Precision, Zetas, etc.

I still want to see a top mount system do a 1/2 mile or 1 mile pull without melting stuff. A dyno pull with the hood up is one thing, a 1-5th gear pull in a 1/2 or 1 mile course is where stuff gets interesting. Or a hot summer day where you have been driving for awhile then do a nice 3-4th gear pull.

The system we sell now is our top mount Eliminator system. It has 2.5" downpipes, the same as our record setting 2015-2016 Mustang system. From our 20+ years of driving, testing, and racing we have not seen a HP limitation with these turbos and this short distance of 2.5" pipe. 2.5" is a restriction at this power level when plumbed to the rear bumper, but it is not a problem when used in a short distance as we have on our kit. We use 2.5" diameter for fitment and cleanliness. We recommend 3 inch exhaust with our high HP kits to maximize power. (Our kit bolts up to the factory H-pipe if keeping the cats is desired. If not, a 3" off road H pipe can bolt up to our downpipes).

We have multiple customers who run their vehicles in 1 mile events with our top mount kit and have no issues.

Originally Posted by Unreal

Dual 2.5" pipes won't support 1400hp. Simply won't happen on the Camaro system. The mustang system or other systems that run dual 3s will.

As stated above, our 2015 Mustang kit uses 2.5" downpipes and we have seen over 1400.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by SantosNL

Where could I get or look for a 6l90? I don't really want to do 4l80 because I like to roll race as well

ZL1s use a 6l90. You can buy one from a dealer, or find one out of a zl1.

[AGP Turbo]

LOL
Lot's of dyno correction factor jokes to be made here.

In all seriousness, we have tested and dyno'd that 2.5" pipes with the wastegates routed in, kills spool up and HP over 3" pipes with dumped wastegates like ours. If 1400whp is possible doing that, it's has to be with 1800hp worth of turbo and the restriction is costing you 400hp. Turbos HATE exhaust restrictions post turbo, even a pair of baffled mufflers all the way at the back of a car can cost HUGE power. And the closer to the turbo that the restriction is, the bigger the effect.

I'll build a set of 2.5" pipes on our next high HP car and dyno back to back to show everybody. It will be like 500+rpm more lag and 100+whp loss at the same boost.

[g8lover]

He had a F1r and only ran low 11's/high 10's??... something is wrong there... lol.... that is terrible for a F1r....

Originally Posted by Unreal

AGP kit.

Talk to Kevin about the Orange car he built. Came in with a F1R. Left with one of their basic twin kits. Went from low 11s/high 10s to bottom 9s on a soft pass getting the boot. If it had 1-2 more runs would have gone 8s. Complete street car/pump gas than went and cracked off a 9.2@156+ on 1st pass then got booted for no cage/chute/etc. A little more boost and 160mph would have been easy.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by g8lover

He had a F1r and only ran low 11's/high 10's??... something is wrong there... lol.... that is terrible for a F1r....

Agreeed. Car wasn't in top shape. That was one where the fast intake was leaking like crazy. Either way, gained ~300+hp and TONS of torque and car is MUCH MUCH MUCH faster with the turbos than the blower.

[SingleT]

I'm shocked that the hellion kit uses 2.5 inch downpipes. Sounds like a horrible idea and huge restriction?

[dreksnot]

Originally Posted by SingleT

I'm shocked that the hellion kit uses 2.5 inch downpipes. Sounds like a horrible idea and huge restriction?

Betting space (clearance) was the issue.....

[HELLION TURBO]

Originally Posted by SingleT

I'm shocked that the hellion kit uses 2.5 inch downpipes. Sounds like a horrible idea and huge restriction?

Our Camaro kit has 2.5" downpipes but they are only 24" long. They can connect to the factory Cat pipe. The factory Cat pipe is barely 2 1/4" in diameter. A 3" downpipe would have an undesirable abrupt step down to the factory Cat pipe. By using a 2.5" pipe, we now have the ability to mate to the stock exhaust (which is desired by many of our customers who want to retain the factory cats in the stock location) or we can jump up to a 3 inch flow tube/off road pipe. We have made over 1400 hp with 2.5" downpipes at this short length and then connected to a full 3 inch exhaust. This design allows us to have one base kit and fit many applications and/or upgrades down the road.


See below, an image of our downpipe to a stock Cat pipe, and a 3" pipe to the stock Cat pipe. You can see why we chose the 2.5" pipe to meet both needs.

[straka]

How many of your customers are using factory cats when doing an twin turbo kit? You already have to move the fuse box with your kit so I don't see why 3 inch downpipes wouldn't be standard. I know room isn't an issue.

[HELLION TURBO]

Originally Posted by straka

How many of your customers are using factory cats when doing an twin turbo kit? You already have to move the fuse box with your kit so I don't see why 3 inch downpipes wouldn't be standard. I know room isn't an issue.

A majority of our customers ask to be able to keep the factory cats if they want, and we get feedback with all kinds of final exhaust combinations. We use 2.5" downpipes on several applications, and it it not an issue.

We know this is not a SS, but here is our 2015 Mustang Gt with short partial 2.5" downpipes going 8.90 in the 1/4. This is done with our twin 55mm turbo system.