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noisemker · 09-24-2009, 04:05 PM

does anyone know the price on one yet?

trudawg660 · 09-24-2009, 05:05 PM

why haven't i seen a dyno sheet from vararam for any of their products?

PieNsky · 09-24-2009, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trudawg660

why haven't i seen a dyno sheet from vararam for any of their products?

Just go to their website.
As there were around 200 pre-orders, how many emails just from Camaro5 would they get?

Hope they are not reading this, they have returned three from me early on, I don't bother them anymore

But my emails from them were professional. They are busy now I sure.

DON_RAFA · 09-28-2009, 12:37 PM

I had messaged them also prior to seeing this thread and this is what I got:

Yes we do and it will be soon ,we are finishing its final design now.----- Original Message ----- From: "Rafa" <>
To: <sales@vararam.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: Intake for 2010 v6 Camaro

> Hello, I've seen on camaro5.com there's testing going on to produce an intake for the v8 Camaros. I'd like to know if you have an intake for the v6 in the works and when will it be available?
>
> Thanks,
> -Rafa

FIREWOLFF · 09-30-2009, 09:03 AM

Just got an E-mail from them took them a week to answer it. I asked the same questions everyone else; Is it available, when will it be if not, you know same stuff this is the answer I got.

We are working on this one next. We are waiting for the production V-8 tooling to arrive. The V-6 will be built from this unit. 3 weeks we should be on the V-6 ,we have logged the V-6 already so it should be done quickly.
----- Original Message -----

tjd24 · 10-08-2009, 02:40 PM

Its disappointing after the intial hoopla Vararam seems to have taken many steps back on the V6 development.

I emailed New Era Performance today to see if they were devleoping a Ram Air for the V6 - they said "no" and when I indicated I'd look where Vararam is at in their development I got the following response from Mike @ New Era:

"The PCM you have will result in no power gain after 2-3 drive cycles, it relearns airflow and will close the throttle body accordingly to reduce airflow into the engine after an increase is seen.

Mike Frumusa
Sales & Tech Manager
www.neweraperformanceparts.com
sales@neweraperformanceparts.com"

SYA · 10-08-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjd24

Its disappointing after the intial hoopla Vararam seems to have taken many steps back on the V6 development.

I emailed New Era Performance today to see if they were devleoping a Ram Air for the V6 - they said know and when I indicated I'd look where Vararam is at in their development I got the following response from Mike @ New Era:

"The PCM you have will result in no power gain after 2-3 drive cycles, it relearns airflow and will close the throttle body accordingly to reduce airflow into the engine after an increase is seen.

Mike Frumusa
Sales & Tech Manager
www.neweraperformanceparts.com
sales@neweraperformanceparts.com"

So....not to get off topic of the Ram Air here.... but wouldn't the claim on the PCM also apply to CAIs?
Would be curious to see what the vendors would have to say in response....

Feel free to keep me in check if I'm way off here....

97one · 10-08-2009, 03:04 PM

[QUOTE=tjd24;1021088]Its disappointing after the intial hoopla Vararam seems to have taken many steps back on the V6 development.

I emailed New Era Performance today to see if they were devleoping a Ram Air for the V6 - they said know and when I indicated I'd look where Vararam is at in their development I got the following response from Mike @ New Era:

"[I]The PCM you have will result in no power gain after 2-3 drive cycles, it relearns airflow and will close the throttle body accordingly to reduce airflow into the engine after an increase is seen.

OK ...What can be done to make use of the increased airflow ?

Thanks,

CamaroDreams07 · 10-08-2009, 04:16 PM

I would guess this is a tuneable problem? Assuming the computer is ever cracked, that is.

Beauwulf · 10-12-2009, 09:33 PM

Sounds like we may have to use the old "fool the temp sensor" trick to get power from the CAI/RAI.... I'll have to look into that method in conjunction with Scremin's relocation of the IAT.

Just have to use a reostadt to adjust the voltage from the sensor. We will need to find out the range of voltage from the sensor cold-hot and series in a reostadt that works in that range (generally 3-9 volts though "CAN" systems run a bit lower). Then you can dial in the engine inlet air temp to suit and "fool" the PCM....

This could also help pass emissions with mods installed.

BTW... with that little IAT logger John has, it should be a cinch to see if it will work.

Also, there is a product out for Ducatis that will adjust the output from the O2 sensor..... another option.
http://www.fatduc.com/order.html

These are not optimum solutions but, with a little dyno time, they could be a suitable substitute till someone cracks the code.... or comes up with a "piggyback" system I.E "Power Commander".

We've been using Power Commanders for years on EFI bikes... This system adjusts the injector timing to control mixture (and ignition timing on some models) via an adjustable "map". Beats re-programing the chip (especially with variable cam timing)!

09-24-2009, 04:05 PM	#15
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09-30-2009, 09:03 AM	#19
FIREWOLFF Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT Rally Yellow Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Victoria, Tx Posts: 244	email Just got an E-mail from them took them a week to answer it. I asked the same questions everyone else; Is it available, when will it be if not, you know same stuff this is the answer I got. We are working on this one next. We are waiting for the production V-8 tooling to arrive. The V-6 will be built from this unit. 3 weeks we should be on the V-6 ,we have logged the V-6 already so it should be done quickly. ----- Original Message ----- __________________ Its Just A State Of Play!!

10-08-2009, 02:40 PM	#20
tjd24 Thank you Oshawa/St.Cats! Drives: was 2010 2LT RS 2G1FC1EV4A9103434 Join Date: May 2009 Location: NW NJ Posts: 3,481 View My Garage	Its disappointing after the intial hoopla Vararam seems to have taken many steps back on the V6 development. I emailed New Era Performance today to see if they were devleoping a Ram Air for the V6 - they said "no" and when I indicated I'd look where Vararam is at in their development I got the following response from Mike @ New Era: "The PCM you have will result in no power gain after 2-3 drive cycles, it relearns airflow and will close the throttle body accordingly to reduce airflow into the engine after an increase is seen. Mike Frumusa Sales & Tech Manager www.neweraperformanceparts.com sales@neweraperformanceparts.com" __________________ #3434 Born 4-15-2009, Delivered 5-22-2009 BBOMG 2/3/4 - Traded-in 8/31/2019: Last edited by tjd24; 10-14-2009 at 02:30 PM.

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09-24-2009, 05:05 PM	#16
trudawg660 Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger / 2SS IOM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,640	why haven't i seen a dyno sheet from vararam for any of their products?

09-28-2009, 12:37 PM	#18
DON_RAFA NY5THGEN Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT/RS/A6/SIM/IO Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: FAST LANE Posts: 858	I had messaged them also prior to seeing this thread and this is what I got: Yes we do and it will be soon ,we are finishing its final design now.----- Original Message ----- From: "Rafa" <> To: <sales@vararam.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Intake for 2010 v6 Camaro > Hello, I've seen on camaro5.com there's testing going on to produce an intake for the v8 Camaros. I'd like to know if you have an intake for the v6 in the works and when will it be available? > > Thanks, > -Rafa

10-08-2009, 03:04 PM	#22
97one Drives: 2016 & 1967 Camaro, 2015 Impala, +1 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New York Posts: 1,165	[QUOTE=tjd24;1021088]Its disappointing after the intial hoopla Vararam seems to have taken many steps back on the V6 development. I emailed New Era Performance today to see if they were devleoping a Ram Air for the V6 - they said know and when I indicated I'd look where Vararam is at in their development I got the following response from Mike @ New Era: "[I]The PCM you have will result in no power gain after 2-3 drive cycles, it relearns airflow and will close the throttle body accordingly to reduce airflow into the engine after an increase is seen. OK ...What can be done to make use of the increased airflow ? Thanks,

10-08-2009, 04:16 PM	#23
CamaroDreams07 Drives: Slow V6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 9,361 View My Garage	I would guess this is a tuneable problem? Assuming the computer is ever cracked, that is.

10-12-2009, 09:33 PM	#24
Beauwulf Drives: '10 LT RS A6 & '04 Acura RSX Type S Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,549 View My Garage	Sounds like we may have to use the old "fool the temp sensor" trick to get power from the CAI/RAI.... I'll have to look into that method in conjunction with Scremin's relocation of the IAT. Just have to use a reostadt to adjust the voltage from the sensor. We will need to find out the range of voltage from the sensor cold-hot and series in a reostadt that works in that range (generally 3-9 volts though "CAN" systems run a bit lower). Then you can dial in the engine inlet air temp to suit and "fool" the PCM.... This could also help pass emissions with mods installed. BTW... with that little IAT logger John has, it should be a cinch to see if it will work. Also, there is a product out for Ducatis that will adjust the output from the O2 sensor..... another option. http://www.fatduc.com/order.html These are not optimum solutions but, with a little dyno time, they could be a suitable substitute till someone cracks the code.... or comes up with a "piggyback" system I.E "Power Commander". We've been using Power Commanders for years on EFI bikes... This system adjusts the injector timing to control mixture (and ignition timing on some models) via an adjustable "map". Beats re-programing the chip (especially with variable cam timing)!