Boston Premium Audio Observations

[Moto-Mojo]

I know you can buy a $35,000.00 turntable now. (Ironically, a CAMARO is about that much!) And you could then too. So, if my "superior" vinyl from yesteryear with all it's handling flaws from 40-50 years of use is so much better, I certainly wouldn't want to replace it all with NEW vinyl. A $35K needle will still skip on my "vintage" copy of Jethro Tull's Aqualung title track. But I guess I should embrace the superior pops, clicks and skips as a more 'pure' audio. BS!

[samman11]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

What I said I didn't read somewhere. I LIVED it. Saying vinyl is superior in 2017 is like saying your Magnavox black and white console TV is better than your HD flat screen. Yesterday's technology. Plain and simple. How does your 'modern day' turntable handle scratches?

As I said, "you" need to research modern day turntables. Your post is actually funny it's so far off the mark. I take care of my vinyl, as do many today who listen to vinyl, so "scratches" are not an issue. Research it and you'll be surprised over the leaps vinyl playback has taken, yes, even in 2017.

[samman11]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

I know you can buy a $35,000.00 turntable now. (Ironically, a CAMARO is about that much!) And you could then too. So, if my "superior" vinyl from yesteryear with all it's handling flaws from 40-50 years of use is so much better, I certainly wouldn't want to replace it all with NEW vinyl. A $35K needle will still skip on my "vintage" copy of Jethro Tull's Aqualung title track. But I guess I should embrace the superior pops, clicks and skips as a more 'pure' audio. BS!

Well, sure, if you beat the crap out of your vinyl from years ago, "of course" it's shot. For those who didn't, the original vinyl has a sound to die for with a decent setup. You're listening to the media myth that they forced down your throat when pushing CD technology in the 80s. You bought into "perfect sound forever" garbage. Me, I used my ears and heard the vinyl beat CD every time.

[lbls1]

Each medium has its plus and minuses. I am a veteran of vinyl, and to be completely honest, I prefer this medium to most other music forms. Vinyl excels in percussion, horn and string reproduction, and its excellent with low frequency bass. Oxide tapes excel with low frequency bass and most of the notes produced in music...I find it almost as good as albums. Reel to Reel has been described as the best reproduction media.....but I'm not versed in them. Cassettes to me might have been the perfect media. Its great with new recordings, and its relatively quick and convenient (depends on the length of the album).

CDs took a little while to perfect, but at their best CDs were excellent with stereo separation, clarity, high frequency sounds, and they improved with low frequency sounds in the later years. CDs also last a long time....but they can develop errors....similar to records, like skips.

MP3s have limitations with volume, as I've seen it. With higher volume, I've found that MP3s distort music. They are super convenient in that you can record a massive amount of songs and albums in a file system. Good MP3 files, including the "lossless" formats, are almost parallel with CDs. I imagine that this system will also improve with time.

[ZX1truth]

I love my system BA system with my tweaks.......I have the JLXD 400/4 amp/ Fark kit / dual Kicker L7 12" w/t box. It rocks!!!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106687

[Moto-Mojo]

No one was more anal than I was about record disk care. As goes for my Camaro. Chit happens - especially after 40 years of use. Agreed on the benefits of each. I took a 6-week audio course in a real San Diego studio right prior to CD debut. Studio quality 2" tape, as well as other sizes, was incredibly good. The bigger the tape, the more signal you could put on it. But even that got 'stepped on' of sorts in the mastering and pressing process.

Car and home audio tape machines - unless you spent big bucks like the old Nakamichi or something were prone to head alignment issues which always killed the freq spectrum. You'll never convince me that vinyl could be better than digital -IF- they wanted to take the time to use the data capacity available and produce a true high fidelity recording - like Neil Young tried so hard to get done. And some did.

There are many people who will pay six figures for a 1959 Les Paul guitar. Ace Frehley's Kiss guitar is for sale right now for $1M. I'm sure it's superior to anything. : / Go get it! There's a great blind test where "experts" listened to period Stradivarius violins vs brand new modern copies. Almost to a man they picked the WRONG one. They picked the new one.

Audio is in the ear of the beholder.

[18LTLoveIt]

Originally Posted by samman11

You don't know what you're talking about in terms of vinyl. I'm 56 and I have listened to both vinyl and CD since 1984. Vinyl is still superior on a properly set-up turntable system. All the negatives you speak of for vinyl are not really sound issues with modern turntables properly set up.

I have a tremendous older mid 70s rack system with top of the line turn table religiously used my disc washer, never lent out LPs & they still have slight cracking compared to my early 90s CD changer I added. I kept the turn table for albums out of print before the age of CDs.

Modern turntables and new vinyl LPs are just a case of 'what's old is new again'.

My 2013 Camaro has the basic speakers and sounds fantastic with USB cable & my iPOD classic, loaded with my CD collection and a few purchased songs.

[sherob]

I have some RCA half speed mastered vinyl that is far superior to any digital you can purchase today, other than RCA half speed mastered digital copies.

[kmarshall2121]

Arent some of, or most, new reproductions (ie: CDS, etc...) of bands no longer around made from previously recorded vinyl??

[ShadowYYZ]

I use TIDAL HIFI, via bluetooth and it sounds very good too me!

Also, sounds even better whenever it is connected via the usb port.

[18LTLoveIt]

Originally Posted by kmarshall2121

Arent some of, or most, new reproductions (ie: CDS, etc...) of bands no longer around made from previously recorded vinyl??

I'd think more from studio tapes, cleaned up, restored.

[Moto-Mojo]

Sorry to have veered off but I love this audio stuff. So much depends on your own preference. A classical listener will want different things than a rocker. It is a bummer the 2015 Camaro dropped the CD player. I'd love to hear this one: If you want to hear digital at some of it's finest, get the CD (not MP3 or Youtube) by the band Dada called, "Puzzle." "Dizz Knee Land" is a popular cut. (it's rock) I don't know if it was ever produced on vinyl. It doesn't say whether it's all digital or analog/digital but it could change you mind about a CD. Even one from 1992.

One of the best mixes I've ever heard.

[Badbubba]

Unfortunately I bought the lifetime membership to XM when it was still available. XM quality is aweful and sounds terrible through the BA system, IMO. Having a '10, I don't ever remember using the cd player. Using the usb port with higher bit rate songs, did improve the sound. I believe the Harmon Kardon factory system in my '15 STI sounds better. Although XM is still terrible in it as well.

[samman11]

Originally Posted by 13LTLoveIt

I have a tremendous older mid 70s rack system with top of the line turn table religiously used my disc washer, never lent out LPs & they still have slight cracking compared to my early 90s CD changer I added. I kept the turn table for albums out of print before the age of CDs.

Modern turntables and new vinyl LPs are just a case of 'what's old is new again'.

lol. The reason for a great deal of the vinyl resurgence is due to it's sound, not some fade "what's old is new again." And the reason you hear surface noise is right there in your post--"older mid 70s RACK system." What turntable are you using? Arm? Cartridge? When was the cartridge replaced? Did you align the Cartridge properly? Proper tracking force utilized? Is the table level? While it does take more effort to properly set up a turntable, the end results are worth it. No "rack" system that I am aware of from the 70s should be used to determine what's really in those record grooves. I'm willing to bet your needle is beyond worn as well.