Camaro's Competition

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by 4thGen

Ya, but the MSRP of the G35 is $32,250 and the MSRP of the G37 is $34,900.

the MSRP of a G37 is 34.

Motor trend said that GM kept a G37 on hand as a "stretch target" for performance.

connect the dots.

If its a "Stretch" the MSRP of a Maro' should be around 30 or less

probaly 29

[kevin2323]

Edit the msrp of the challenger please. It is 21,995, sorry for nitpicking.

Nvm I see you put high end, I am guessing that means fully-loaded?

[DGthe3]

If we want to keep things as broad as possible, the competition will be any car that is sporty and is sold within about 15% of the price of the Camaro. That covers a lot of cars. But something that sells for 10k more than the V6? Thats more in the territory of the V8, still a little outside.

[storm79]

Originally Posted by fastball

Everyone is missing the point here, and for all of our sakes we better hope GM doesn't.....

The real competition in the V6 isn't the Mustang or Challenger..... it's the Honda Accord EX V6, BMW 1-Series, Nissan Altima 3.5 SE V6, and Toyota Camry Solara SE V6. Before anyone starts flaming, let me elaborate:

All of the cars I mentioned will fall directly in the price range of LS and LT Camaros (mid 20's to low 30s). They are generally reguared as upper class, sophisticated cars that don't really even compete with a Mustang V6 or Challenger V6. GM has been saying all along they want the Camaro to be a cut above the Mustang and Challenger in fit, finish, refinement, and sophistication. Well, as the old saying goes, be carefull what you ask for, you just might get it.

Europe and Japan have really moved ahead of America in the personal performance coupe market. The Accord has 268 hp and can be had with a 6 speed stick, not to mention it comes with everything from leather heated seats to 6 disc in dash changer standard. All for $28k. Same for the Altima and 1-Series.

The Solara isn't as performance oriented as the other cars, but it's still a major player in the market at this price range.

So, it's one thing to outshine and outclass Ford and Dodge. It's another thing to go head to head with Europe and Japan.

It is in the best interest for GM that they do. The Mustang and Challenger won't even be on the radar if GM succeeds in providing a true alternative to Japan and Europe. Top notch interior quality, refined, solid suspension tuning that still handles and performs awesome, and absolutely no cheapness or cut corners. So far it appears as if GM is doing it. An engine that's got all the high tech acronyms (DOHC VVT DI 24V) that people want, whether or not it's any better than a pushrod. 4 wheel independent suspension. Tight, clean body panel fit, and a refined interior (Scott said they were doing their do dilligence in the touch and feel of all the switchgear on the dashboard, and getting graining and fit down perfect on the materials).

That's what sells cars today. If GM succeeds in doing that for the V6 Camaro, the Camaro will sell and live a long, prosperous life.

also the hyundai genesis coupe would be in there...its got a turbocharged v-6 with about 300+ hp.

[carsismeZ06]

Originally Posted by fastball

Everyone is missing the point here, and for all of our sakes we better hope GM doesn't.....

The real competition in the V6 isn't the Mustang or Challenger..... it's the Honda Accord EX V6, BMW 1-Series, Nissan Altima 3.5 SE V6, and Toyota Camry Solara SE V6. Before anyone starts flaming, let me elaborate:

All of the cars I mentioned will fall directly in the price range of LS and LT Camaros (mid 20's to low 30s). They are generally reguared as upper class, sophisticated cars that don't really even compete with a Mustang V6 or Challenger V6. GM has been saying all along they want the Camaro to be a cut above the Mustang and Challenger in fit, finish, refinement, and sophistication. Well, as the old saying goes, be carefull what you ask for, you just might get it.

Europe and Japan have really moved ahead of America in the personal performance coupe market. The Accord has 268 hp and can be had with a 6 speed stick, not to mention it comes with everything from leather heated seats to 6 disc in dash changer standard. All for $28k. Same for the Altima and 1-Series.

The Solara isn't as performance oriented as the other cars, but it's still a major player in the market at this price range.

So, it's one thing to outshine and outclass Ford and Dodge. It's another thing to go head to head with Europe and Japan.

It is in the best interest for GM that they do. The Mustang and Challenger won't even be on the radar if GM succeeds in providing a true alternative to Japan and Europe. Top notch interior quality, refined, solid suspension tuning that still handles and performs awesome, and absolutely no cheapness or cut corners. So far it appears as if GM is doing it. An engine that's got all the high tech acronyms (DOHC VVT DI 24V) that people want, whether or not it's any better than a pushrod. 4 wheel independent suspension. Tight, clean body panel fit, and a refined interior (Scott said they were doing their do dilligence in the touch and feel of all the switchgear on the dashboard, and getting graining and fit down perfect on the materials).

That's what sells cars today. If GM succeeds in doing that for the V6 Camaro, the Camaro will sell and live a long, prosperous life.

What I meant by competitors was the other "Muscle Cars" Mustang, Challenger.

[Jak]

Personally, I hope the Challenger is a success too. The way the market is today none of the Big Three can afford a flop.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by carsismeZ06

What I meant by competitors was the other "Muscle Cars" Mustang, Challenger.

Oh, I understand that part of it. I'm just saying for the Camaro to succeed in today's market, it can't be solely viewed as a "muscle car".

[radz28]

I forget where I read it this weekend, but one of the engineers stated that goals were set above the 'Stang and Chally', so it doesn't seem to make much sense, at this point, to get all worked up. There are only a few more hours until we all find out, so let's take a breathe, chill pill, whatever, and look forward to what all our bitching and GM's hard work has produced us. For cryin' out loud.

Just my .02...

[carsismeZ06]

Originally Posted by fastball

Oh, I understand that part of it. I'm just saying for the Camaro to succeed in today's market, it can't be solely viewed as a "muscle car".

right. I really hope that it does better than the 1-series. For a fat american car to beat a German one, would be the best!

[tek818]

Originally Posted by carsismeZ06

right. I really hope that it does better than the 1-series. For a fat american car to beat a German one, would be the best!

it should certainly be a good race. I can't wait to see if the SS can keep up with my 335...

[4thGen]

Come on. Stick it to Ford, GM.

[TAG UR IT]

There's actually going to be competition for the new Camaro????? That's the first I've heard!!

[pinkcamaro10]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

There's actually going to be competition for the new Camaro????? That's the first I've heard!!

exactly what i was thinkin

[GameOv3r]

Originally Posted by pinkcamaro10

exactly what i was thinkin

What competition...bring it!