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TT C6 · 10-16-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

...and the fact that there will be 4 seats.

My original post says that the Camaro is the ONLY choice for a rear wheel drive performance car if you need rear seats.

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Originally Posted by 383ss

LSA or LS7 for low 30's?? LMFAO. you have to be kidding. 31000 for an LS3 and all the other stuff the SS has is a great price. LSA or LS7 would add 10-15k to the price if not more.

418ci longblocks assembled with a LS3 block and LS7 heads make roughly the same power as a LS7 with a MINIMALLY higher cost. That is why I said a "version" of the LS7 or LSA.

If you have a 383ci engine like your screen name suggests, YOU of ALL people should know that a "version" of the LS7 could have cost GM roughly the same amount as a LS3. I had a Craig Gallant built 383ci in my 4th gen 11 years ago and have remained current with the GM (LSx) scene. Have you?

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

The only difference is that with some extra cash, the Camaro can compete with the Corvette...as you begin to near the vettes price

Anyone with any experience seriouslsy modding cars will tell you that you could buy a new C6 for what it would cost you to bring the Camaro's performance up to the level of the C6. So, you are better off just buying a C6 in the first place. A Camaro that would equal a C6's performance would STILL have MUCH more weight than the C6 and weight takes it's toll.

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Originally Posted by Speedy1975

\A Corvette is Dad's (or Grandpa's) car. It screams middle aged driver

Sorry. But, that's one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

kdbolt70 · 10-16-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TT C6

Sorry. But, that's one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

I'll do you one better.

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Originally Posted by TT C6

Call me crazy, but for $31,000, I wanted the supercharged LSA engine from the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V.

Speedy1975 · 10-16-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy1975

A Corvette is Dad's (or Grandpa's) car. It screams middle aged driver.

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Originally Posted by TT C6

Sorry. But, that's one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

Sorry man, just a simple quick google search for avg age of Corvette buyer turned up several links proving my point. Here's one:

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...ad.php?t=58488

Which appears to meet what GM expects.

bballr4567 · 10-16-2008, 03:12 PM

When did someone post is was 4000lbs?? I thought the curb weight was in the 3700lbs area?

Wishing for the LSA or LS7 in the Camaro at a 31000 base price is lunacy. Pure lunacy.

GamerGuyZ28 · 10-16-2008, 03:13 PM

ha see it is an older mans car

s.norman · 10-16-2008, 03:23 PM

the ss is better looking then the vette imo and theres not a million of them on the road..i get tired of seeing so many vettes. only an 8hp difference so there won't be a 1sec difference in the 1/4.

*CamaroSpike23* · 10-16-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by s.norman

the ss is better looking then the vette imo and theres not a million of them on the road..i get tired of seeing so many vettes. only an 8hp difference so there won't be a 1sec difference in the 1/4.

just wait till production starts and there is a million camaros on the road....wait...that wont be bad...

TT C6 · 10-16-2008, 03:49 PM

I would like to request that my thread moved to General Discussion and I would like to change the title to the following.
Sorry. For $31k, I wanted more power or less weight.A C5/C6 is the performance choice

I am editing my initial post now.

Also, I would like to say that anyone who buys a Mustang is out of their mind. But, after researching Ford's invoice pricing, curb weights, and SAE numbers on the V8 GT Mustang and the supercharged Shelby Mustang, I can see why GM priced the Camaro the way they have. A $40,500 invoice for the Shelby does make a $40,000 invoice for a LSA equipped Camaro seem more reasonable than what I posted.

I still wish the 2010 Camaro would have ended up with a lighter curb weight or more power when you compare it's current numbers to that of the C6 Corvette.

heavyt100 · 10-16-2008, 03:53 PM

I sold my Corvette so I could buy a Camaro SS.

For those of us with two or more children, being able to share the high-performance automotive experience with them at the same time means much more than half a second in the quarter mile ever could.

My children — ages 10 and 8 — are both total car nuts who love hot cars and know more about them than most kids twice their age.

It killed me to only be able to take one of them out at a time. Now, we can have fun together. You can't put a price tag on that.

And, frankly, there's something to be said for not having to worry about what the previous owner did to his car.

But to each his or her own, which is why these comparisons ultimately don't matter much. It all depends on your situation. For some folks, ultimate performance is more important than four seats. Not me, though.

Enjoy your Corvette, because my kids and I are going to enjoy the heck out of our Camaro SS.

bballr4567 · 10-16-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TT C6

I still wish the 2010 Camaro would have ended up with a lighter curb weight or more power when compared to the Corvette.

Why would they start that now? The 3rd and 4th gens (not sure about the earlier ones) had the Corvette engine but had heavier curb weights and less handling. So why would GM offer a Camaro with either more power then a Corvette (never EVER happen) or with more handling (again never ever happen)?

rmyers · 10-16-2008, 04:04 PM

Well just to clarify, you don't get the aluminum frame on the Vette unless you buy the Z06 or ZR1. Standard vettes have steel frames. Secondly I guess I fit the Vette customer base, I am a dad and a grandpa. But at 43 years old, Ill have a big smile on my face when i put my foot in my wife's new Camaro. BTW. I like the fact that when I'm cruising in my Z06, the stangs, and ricers know better then to tempt me. There is something to be said about driving a car down the road that is really in a league of its own. Im not bragging and I despise the concept of "status". I'm just calling it like I see it.

Those are the smiles on my face every time I drive my Z06, and I'm sure they will be there when I drive the wife's Camaro!!!!

TT C6 · 10-16-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by heavyt100

For those of us with two or more children, being able to share the high-performance automotive experience with them at the same time means much more than half a second in the quarter mile ever could.

I agree. If I had children I would order a Camaro SS convertible. The above was an emotional post and hits home for a lot of people. I am sincerely happy for you and your family.

With that being said, I clearly stated multiple times the "Camaro is the the ONLY choice for a rear wheel drive performance car with 4 seats." I also stated the Corvette is the performance choice. So, as personal and emotional of a post as yours was, it ignored the point which I already conceded and is removing the thread from it's original point....performance.

TT C6 · 10-16-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bballr4567

Why would they start that now? The 3rd and 4th gens (not sure about the earlier ones) had the Corvette engine but had heavier curb weights and less handling. So why would GM offer a Camaro with either more power then a Corvette (never EVER happen) or with more handling (again never ever happen)?

My 4th Gen hartop DID NOT weight 4000lbs and was VERY close to the LT1 C4's curb weight and performance. Harrdtop LT1 hardtops with IRON blocks weighed right around 3,300lbs. I actually preferred the hardtop 4th Gen F-bodies to the C4. Call me crazy.

bballr4567 · 10-16-2008, 04:16 PM

Still makes my point though. A Corvette will 98% of the time weigh less then a Fbody of the same time period. Especially as the years go by and cars getting heavier with more standard equipment a Corvette will weigh less and have more performance. How much did your 4th gen weigh compared to a Corvette? Im sure there was still a 100-200 lb difference.

Two totally different cars IMHO and not worth comparing them. If a guy wants a Corvette he will get a Corvette and forgo a Camaro.

10-16-2008, 04:04 PM	#25
rmyers Drives: Both American Made Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 781	Well just to clarify, you don't get the aluminum frame on the Vette unless you buy the Z06 or ZR1. Standard vettes have steel frames. Secondly I guess I fit the Vette customer base, I am a dad and a grandpa. But at 43 years old, Ill have a big smile on my face when i put my foot in my wife's new Camaro. BTW. I like the fact that when I'm cruising in my Z06, the stangs, and ricers know better then to tempt me. There is something to be said about driving a car down the road that is really in a league of its own. Im not bragging and I despise the concept of "status". I'm just calling it like I see it. Those are the smiles on my face every time I drive my Z06, and I'm sure they will be there when I drive the wife's Camaro!!!! Last edited by rmyers; 10-16-2008 at 04:05 PM. Reason: spelling

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TT C6 Banned Drives: C6, 96 383ci Z28 hardtop Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Philly Posts: 126	I would like to request that my thread moved to General Discussion and I would like to change the title to the following. Sorry. For $31k, I wanted more power or less weight.A C5/C6 is the performance choice I am editing my initial post now. Also, I would like to say that anyone who buys a Mustang is out of their mind. But, after researching Ford's invoice pricing, curb weights, and SAE numbers on the V8 GT Mustang and the supercharged Shelby Mustang, I can see why GM priced the Camaro the way they have. A $40,500 invoice for the Shelby does make a $40,000 invoice for a LSA equipped Camaro seem more reasonable than what I posted. I still wish the 2010 Camaro would have ended up with a lighter curb weight or more power when you compare it's current numbers to that of the C6 Corvette.

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heavyt100 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Outta' here Posts: 231 View My Garage	I sold my Corvette so I could buy a Camaro SS. For those of us with two or more children, being able to share the high-performance automotive experience with them at the same time means much more than half a second in the quarter mile ever could. My children — ages 10 and 8 — are both total car nuts who love hot cars and know more about them than most kids twice their age. It killed me to only be able to take one of them out at a time. Now, we can have fun together. You can't put a price tag on that. And, frankly, there's something to be said for not having to worry about what the previous owner did to his car. But to each his or her own, which is why these comparisons ultimately don't matter much. It all depends on your situation. For some folks, ultimate performance is more important than four seats. Not me, though. Enjoy your Corvette, because my kids and I are going to enjoy the heck out of our Camaro SS.

10-16-2008, 04:16 PM	#28
bballr4567 Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT M6 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 1,256	Still makes my point though. A Corvette will 98% of the time weigh less then a Fbody of the same time period. Especially as the years go by and cars getting heavier with more standard equipment a Corvette will weigh less and have more performance. How much did your 4th gen weigh compared to a Corvette? Im sure there was still a 100-200 lb difference. Two totally different cars IMHO and not worth comparing them. If a guy wants a Corvette he will get a Corvette and forgo a Camaro.