Opinions Please: Camaro vs CTS-V

[GTAHVIT]

I would also like to add: The fact that we are even considering this comparison shows how formidable the Camaro really is.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

I would also like to add: The fact that we are even considering this comparison shows how formidable the Camaro really is.

That's very true. The Camaro is way ahead of its class.

[xl1200r]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

In all reality, if you're comparing a Cadillac to a Chevy, you're comparing the wrong cars. With that money, you could either get a stock CTS-V and drive the hell out of it or get a stock Camaro, add a ridiculous amount of performance work, and drive the hell out of it. Would you rather have a car that—forgive my bias—you made your own or a car that the factory made for you? Whatever your answer, you have to decide based on a long list of questions about your priorities:
• Do appearances matter?
• In any car I've driven, have I wanted more?
• Does this car fit my personality?
• Is driver comfort essential to my automotive experience?
• What heritage do I inherit with this brand?
• Do I fit such a heritage?
• Am I classist?
• Do I want my car to reflect my desire to work or my desire to play?
• What type of fuel do I prefer?
• Does this company's priorities coincide with my own?
• Will I regret spending this amount later?
• Are all the essential options featured in this car?
• Is luxury or sportiness a priority for me?
• Am I likely to get in trouble or get out of trouble driving this?
• Does this car attract the attention that I want?
• Does this car reflect my overall appreciation or knowledge of cars?
• Will I want to keep this car forever?
• Which car is right for me?
Most people don't put this much thought into a car. I figure that any investment as substantial as a new mode of transportation is worthy of analysis. First impressions are important, and, many times, the first impression someone gets of you is what mode of transportation brought you to them. If you show up in my Subaru, they may scoff at your classlessness. If you show up in a Lamborghini, they may look in awe at your ostentatiousness. In any case, you need to figure out what is important to you when it comes to arriving anywhere you go.

Some of that criteria warrants a bumper sticker that says "I care what other people think about me."

Not really sure where any of that supposed to go, but the Cadillac nor the Camaro are any more or less of a car, more or less sporty, has more or less heritage, looks better or worse, or attracts more or less attention than the other.

"Am I a classist?" Huh? Are you suggesting that if you have the money, you should refrain from spending it so as not to offend anyone? News flash - the Camaro is a $30k+ car... NOT cheap by any measure.

"Does this car reflect my overall appreciation or knowledge of cars?" Are you suggesting that one or other is somehow better?

The criteria between these two cars are much simpler:

-Do I want/need 4 doors?
-Do I prefer the looks of one over the other?
-Can I afford either?

[MerlinZero]

OK this topic is mean....

You know if you are around the Seattle area.... you can have one in 2 weeks (the caddy) apparently Brotherton Caddilac is getting the first in the nation (or so they say)

[LS9CamaroSS]

the CTS-v is what 4200 lbs? i thought the camaro SS with no s/c on it was damn close to that? am i wrong? i know the V6 is 3800 lbs or so and the added mass of the small block will push it close to the CTS here... sorry but this is waaay too apples to oranges for me... the CTS hands down... now a bimmer 5 series with it's largest engine? now i'm interested... other than that though this is just fly-boy overly wishful thinking...

[MerlinZero]

LS9 the 2SS with the 6.2 Manual is 3860lbs

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by MerlinZero

LS9 the 2SS with the 6.2 Manual is 3860lbs

ls9? when did we get a s/c'd camaro?

[MerlinZero]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

ls9? when did we get a s/c'd camaro?

YOUR SCREEN NAME fool

[truth411]

The CTS-V is 4300lbs!! The camaro which wieghs almost 500lb lighter will hang in the corners, But I think the CTS-V will leave the camaro in the straights. It depends on what type track your on.

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by MerlinZero

YOUR SCREEN NAME fool

lol i was owned

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by truth411

The CTS-V is 4300lbs!! The camaro which wieghs almost 500lb lighter will hang in the corners, But I think the CTS-V will leave the camaro in the straights. It depends on what type track your on.

i don't know... that sigma platform is pretty well versed... it wins quite a bit in the racing series that it is entered in (sorry the name escapes me) i still think this is just alot of needless banter... who cares they are both gm's they are both going to be best in class 'nuff said...

[BowtieGuy]

To everyone saying that the CTS-V is a low 12 second car, I disagree. The Camaro is going to be a high 12 second car driven properly. I wouldn't be surprised to see an 11.7 out of the V.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by xl1200r

Some of that criteria warrants a bumper sticker that says "I care what other people think about me."

Not really sure where any of that supposed to go, but the Cadillac nor the Camaro are any more or less of a car, more or less sporty, has more or less heritage, looks better or worse, or attracts more or less attention than the other.

"Am I a classist?" Huh? Are you suggesting that if you have the money, you should refrain from spending it so as not to offend anyone? News flash - the Camaro is a $30k+ car... NOT cheap by any measure.

"Does this car reflect my overall appreciation or knowledge of cars?" Are you suggesting that one or other is somehow better?

The criteria between these two cars are much simpler:

-Do I want/need 4 doors?
-Do I prefer the looks of one over the other?
-Can I afford either?

I am not placing any judgments of my own in that list of questions. Cadillac is a brand that represents prestige, possible economic success, and the highest class attainable by General Motors. Chevrolet is a brand that represents the average civilian. Other brands out there represent various different portions of society. Questions like the ones that clearly lead you or others to take offense are questions that some people may need to ask. If you're not classist, for instance, then either car is an equally good choice in that category. If you are classist and appearances matter, Cadillac may be a better choice because it visually reflects success and prestige because many consumers are branded to associate Cadillac as a luxury brand that generally has wealthy or successful drivers. That isn't a bad thing or a good thing. It is totally neutral. For another example, the question of appearances matter may mean that you care how you look in the car or how the car looks compared to other cars. For people who don't think appearances matter, there are other priorities, like performance, luxury, or other characteristics of the car. All of those questions are also included in my 18-question survey. Likewise, I argue that the question about appearances implies the question that you asked about liking one more than the other.

In fewer words, my questions are just questions. I'll go ahead and give you my answers with regard to the Camaro:
• Appearances matter. I want my car to look like a classic.
• In every car I've driven, I've felt like the power is insufficient, so I wanted more power.
• I feel that this car fits my personality because I am an American car enthusiast. I appreciate the classic lines and high performance of the Camaro SS.
• The Camaro's heritage is long. It involves a lot of racing and dominating other cars in its class. Part of my role as a driver is to get a good feel for the car and to never let a Mustang pass me.
• I don't like Ford, so I fit that heritage. Moreover, my family has a long history of driving Chevys.
• I am not classist. The Camaro reflects this by being a Chevrolet. It is not ostentatious, nor is it unattainable because its price is low for its quality.
• The Camaro reflects my desire to play. I like that.
• In this case, fuel preference isn't a big issue. It will run on petrol as opposed to any alternative fuel. If an efficient E85 kit that allows me to keep my horsepower presents itself, I will consider it.
• GM's priorities are in line with my own. Let's not discuss this in specifics because books could be written on this topic.
• I don't feel that I will have buyer's remorse.
• I don't want too many options, so all I need is featured. If an iPod jack is not provided, I will provide one via aftermarket. It has 4 seats which make it functional as well.
• The Camaro is sporty. I don't care about luxury so long as the seats are acceptably comfortable.
• I may get in trouble for speeding with this car.
• I want to drive a fairly flashy car. I don't like driving my current beater in part because it attracts negative attention. The Camaro may attract positive attention.
• This car reflects my brand loyalty to Chevrolet, as well as my appreciation for class-leading performance as an enthusiast.
• This car, I hope, will someday be a family heirloom.
• This car, on the whole, fills my current and future needs and wants.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

i don't know... that sigma platform is pretty well versed... it wins quite a bit in the racing series that it is entered in (sorry the name escapes me) i still think this is just alot of needless banter... who cares they are both gm's they are both going to be best in class 'nuff said...

Zeta is derived from Sigma